Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:08 pm  

My impression was there were a lot of late 3rd man flops from Saints but as no one else has mentioned it maybe it was my P ‘n B specs!

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:14 pm  

What about the Walmsley shoulder charge that wasn't given also or does that not fit the narrative of the the whole world being against Saints?

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:15 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

i have to agree..... lets looks at what happened

* A few correct decisions at the start as saints had 2 tries chalked off
* A terrible call to disallow a warrington try, in an attempt to 'even things up'

But the worst thing that happened was the constant saints obstruction under the high ball. They knew we would be kicking it high at King near their own line, so they had a dodgy little 'wall of obstruction' waiting.... 2-4 player move together and create a line of players, that the warrington attackers have to run around to get to the ball, making it much easier for the person fielding the kick. Obvious obstruction and blatant cheating... over and over.

Still, justice was done..... the best team prevailed, despite the rehearsed, unpunished cheating from 'best team in the league'.

they have done that and got away with it for the last couple of seasons

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:50 pm  

The officials haven't been great for a long time, it's not gonna change so lets just leave it at that. It's the same conversations about the same things every year

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:13 pm  

WalterWizard wrote:

No allegedly about it mate....seen it with my own eyes.

Could never get him off here leading up to the game!!!!

I posted a congratulations post on here and have been enjoying the sunshine since. I should take it as a compliment that you're complaining that I've not posted since Saturday I guess

As for the other allegations, can I just clarify that I've not sent anyone death threats. My tweet was a jokey reference to the PR spin they did midweek about his death threat from the Warrington fan, nothing more sinister than that. I thought putting the 'kindly worded' bit would make that clear but obviously through the cold anonymity of a tweet a few people didn't understand the reference as they haven't got the intelligence to or hadn't seen the piece on Hicks. Perhaps a winking emoji might have helped as well, but I guess I've learned my lesson. I've had several 60 year olds who shouldn't be allowed near the internet hounding me all weekend and one of them threatening to poison my dogs as she knows where I live and they bark too loudly and smell bizarrely enough (I don't have dogs).

My thoughs on the game haven't changed. You were brilliant and deserved to win. We were awful and thoroughly deserved to lose. Hicks panicked and blew his day in the sunshine and that should cost him the Grand Final gig. I think it's clear the standard of the officials is grating everyone and whilst everything is hilarious because you won on Saturday, if you lost the Grand Final to Saints or Wigan after Hicks didn't refer a clear Wire try upstairs you'd be exactly the same. Sam Tomkins not getting sent off is still mentioned bi-weekly at kids football training for example, as this one will be on the parks and fields of St Helens for the next 12 years until we reach another final.

Peace chaps, I'll be back to discuss our mental frailties as we get near the play offs. First got to see if we can become the first club to break a 120 odd year old record for league performance and still end the season with no trophies.

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:18 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Hicks panicked and blew his day in the sunshine and that should cost him the Grand Final gig.

He did everything but panic. He gave what he saw, which was a knock-on by Knowles, and got on with the game.

To panic would have been to go to the screen when he had the best view in the ground. And to be fair since Knowles didn't even claim a try he had no reason to.

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:19 pm  

morleys_deckchair wrote:

But the worst thing that happened was the constant saints obstruction under the high ball. They knew we would be kicking it high at King near their own line, so they had a dodgy little 'wall of obstruction' waiting.... 2-4 player move together and create a line of players, that the warrington attackers have to run around to get to the ball, making it much easier for the person fielding the kick. Obvious obstruction and blatant cheating... over and over.

Slight correction here. Absolutely nothing wrong with a wall of obstruction provided those players get there before the attackers. As long as they don't deliberately move to block the run of the attacker it's fine. If they get there first and just stand there it's good defending. As it is when defenders run slowly towards the catcher, as long as they don't look where the attackers are and block them it's fine. Obviously, normal rules about obstruction then kick in when the player catches the ball, if he uses the shield to dodge the chasers or runs into them stopping a chaser tackling him then it would be a penalty.

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:27 pm  

just_browny wrote:

He did everything but panic. He gave what he saw, which was a knock-on by Knowles, and got on with the game.

I don't agree. Wilkin summarised that well, he's trying to show he's assertive and confident and just messed it up. I think he's trying to reference that by sending Lineham's upstairs, he didn't want to be blamed. His approach was clearly to have an open, attractive final with as few penalties as possible, which is admirable, but he allowed some truly blatant stuff to go on and had little control over the game generally. A good referee clamps down on the obvious stuff that has an impact on the game and ignores the stuff that has no impact on how the play develops. I'm not suggesting that caused the outcome BTW, I've already said you thoroughly deserved the win.

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:57 pm  

I would have been annoyed if we were on the end of that decision but saints had enough on that pitch to win that game regardless of that decision.
Saints were over playing from kick off. They were trying to do everything at 100mph and trying to score every time they had the ball. On the other hand most of our sets we just wanted to get to the kick and chase it. We were quite happy to concede metres as long as our line was intact.
I suspect there will be calls for teams to be able to refer a decision upstairs rather than rely on the ref to send it to the VR.

Re: Officials - Simply not up to it : Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:06 pm  

Deus Dat Incrementum wrote:

I suspect there will be calls for teams to be able to refer a decision upstairs rather than rely on the ref to send it to the VR.

That or borrow from VAR. Although football's implementation of that is terrible, a similar system where the video referee can press a button which puts a red light up somewhere in the ground and just holds up the restart until he's checked it could be used. There doesn't have to be anything on the screen to stir up the crowd, just let the video ref check it. If he thinks there's reasonable grounds for a review, he instantly presses to do that. He doesnt' review the whole thing while the game is held up.

Having said that it really doesn't matter what system they use, they will still mess it up. I'd have given Knowles' try and I'd have given Lineham's. The worst decision of the whole day though for me was giving Warrington the scrum when Percival scores. I can take the video ref not overruling the knock on decision, but there is a clear touch onto Taia in the first place by Warrington, yet you got the scrum.