Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:20 am  

Not sure how much more KP could have said short of “I’ve just sacked him”. It wasn’t the current politician style answer of answering the question you want to answer rather than the one that was asked. If I was Steve Price reading that I would feel very uncomfortable which makes me think there has been some fairly straight talking behind the scenes.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:57 am  

I liked the interview, basically I think words have been had but price is given the chance to turn it around. I still think that will prove a mistake but that's what we have got. I don't like searching for for a forward in the NRL, they are more expensive, no better and often just don't adapt at all because they want to be here. I'd prefer to take a proven superleague prop like we did when we signed carvell.

I think we missed out big time with George burgess.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:06 am  

Captain Hook wrote:

Not sure how much more KP could have said short of “I’ve just sacked him”. It wasn’t the current politician style answer of answering the question you want to answer rather than the one that was asked. If I was Steve Price reading that I would feel very uncomfortable which makes me think there has been some fairly straight talking behind the scenes.

I'd agree with this. Sounds like Price has been told that, whatever he thinks, last season was poor and that a continuation of it during the early part of next season, definitely results wise, hopefully quality wise, will see him out of a job.

If KF is doing his job properly, he will already be quietly putting together a shortlist of contenders to take on the job, should Price not fix things. (At the moment, it's probably a very short list reading Ian Watson, though I fear our best chance to get him would be the close season, as no club will want to let their coach go after a season is already underway).

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:20 am  

rubber duckie wrote:

We should have won both competitions and we failed...so our the season was a failure.
However...would I have taken the CC in 4th and bombed out?...of course I would...2012 was our last win...'losing becomes a habit!' Someone once said.
As I've said before...what I expect this team to do and what I would take if offered are 2 different things.
Draw up a contract with the same terms in 2020 and I'd sign it now...however I expect the double and hubcap...and I'd replaced Price if we don't as the progressive vision of our club is to be the 'greatest RL brand in the world'...but we are stalling and could argue gone backwards from 2018 as we made both finals.

With Austin out for the second half of the season, Patton and/or Smith in the halves, a total lack of size/strength/speed/tackle busts/offload game in the props and no depth at all in the front row (all we have is Clark Cooper Hill and Philbin who either play or contribute anything), and absolutely no loose forward or ball handling forward... how on Earth do you come up with the opinion we should have won both competitions?

We are well short!

Teams fighting relegation had better half backs, more depth in the front row (and an actual ball handling/running loose forward) than we did from July onwards.

Absolutely every player from 1-17 played the game of their season at Wembley and we deservedly best the best side in the country. But try and get any sort of consistency with the deficiencies I listed above and we’ve got no chance.

For me it was the style of rugby I was most disappointed with this season. We are boring and really need to improve in that respect. But there’s a problem of a disconnect between hope and reality if we think we should be winning things with our squad.

We have two extremes to our squad, some of the leagues best players and one of the world’s best players in Clark. But we have glaring holes and weaknesses in our squad that even relegation battling sides easily have. Rugby league is a team game, a squad game, no team is as good as its best handful of players - all teams are only as good as their weakest links and we have too many.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:56 am  

CW8 wrote:

I liked the interview, basically I think words have been had but price is given the chance to turn it around. I still think that will prove a mistake but that's what we have got. I don't like searching for for a forward in the NRL, they are more expensive, no better and often just don't adapt at all because they want to be here. I'd prefer to take a proven superleague prop like we did when we signed carvell.

I think we missed out big time with George burgess.

You've contradicted yourself there massively

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:58 am  

Oh, where to begin?

So the remit in the off season is to improve the style of play in other words go against the style that Price settled on his de facto gameplan.

What if he does that and results don't follow? What if we then sack him.- is ability to play eye catching rugby top of the job description or do we bring Wane in for more of the same but an improvment in results?

The club has bottled a big decision, kicked the can down the road and potentially given itself a big problem.come May/June.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:04 am  

Psychedelic Casual wrote:

Rugby league is a team game, a squad game, no team is as good as its best handful of players - all teams are only as good as their weakest links and we have too many.

Spot on. A top coach's main attribute is the ability to get 100% from their supposed weak links on a consistent basis. One of biggest problems has been that we have too often been carrying passengers, who only seem to get up for a match on a 1 in 4 or 5 game basis & the rest of the time they go missing.

Players like BMM, Sita, Tasi, Patton, Jason Clark, are simply not contributing enough to the side & that, in the main, is down to the coach.

This inability to get the best from all of the squad is also a factor in why we struggle to bring through younger, home grown players into our side - If those younger players are to develop, they need an environment where the senior players are all playing to potential & so giving leeway for a youngster's inexperience. We simply don't have that luxury, because we already have passengers in the team & so it leads to unneeded pressure on a young player to instantly be a game changer.

Long term, to be a successful club in this competition, we need to be bringing through our own players. No club can get lucky in the recruitment market on a regular basis and we need a coach who can utilise every aspect of his squad, star players, squad players & youth players , to their absolute 100% potential.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:28 am  

In terms of the prop we need I'd be throwing the chequebook at Watts.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:02 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

Not sure how much more KP could have said short of “I’ve just sacked him”. It wasn’t the current politician style answer of answering the question you want to answer rather than the one that was asked. If I was Steve Price reading that I would feel very uncomfortable which makes me think there has been some fairly straight talking behind the scenes.

See that doesn't sit right with me, if Fitzpatrick is having a go at Price and using the media to ratchet up the pressure on Price without facing accountability himself.

The problems that we are talking about today: boring style of rugby, team underachieving, unable to win Grand Finals, poor recruitment, not bringing through young talent, were here before Price. Remember how it used to be TS fault or Agar's fault. Now it's Price's fault.

At what point does KF decide that this isn't the job for him and walk away and do something else...? Or does he just sit on top of the organisation, demand success and hold others accountable, in which case, plenty of people from this forum could do that job.

Re: CEO agrees season was a failure : Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:18 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

See that doesn't sit right with me, if Fitzpatrick is having a go at Price and using the media to ratchet up the pressure on Price without facing accountability himself.

The problems that we are talking about today: boring style of rugby, team underachieving, unable to win Grand Finals, poor recruitment, not bringing through young talent, were here before Price. Remember how it used to be TS fault or Agar's fault. Now it's Price's fault.

At what point does KF decide that this isn't the job for him and walk away and do something else...? Or does he just sit on top of the organisation, demand success and hold others accountable, in which case, plenty of people from this forum could do that job.

Well KF is to busy with the marketing funnies me thinks, thing is it’s funny once but kinda gets boring after, I would rather we be winning games than winding up the opposition.