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Re: Greg Inglis : Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:19 pm  
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Turned it around, fair play. We look unbeatable at the minute.



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I disagree. Every week I watch us at the minute there’s a steelyness about us and a belief. Even against Cas I wasn’t worried, we seem to be able to create from anywhere on the pitch and there’s this never say die attitude at the minute. You just get the feeling that that winning try will eventually come.



These are quotes from less than three months ago (and bear in mind the season has been finished for one of those) in about Price.

Hardly sounds to me like the sort of thing that is said about a coach who should be sacked.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:13 pm  
Paul Youane wrote:
These are quotes from less than three months ago (and bear in mind the season has been finished for one of those) in about Price.

Hardly sounds to me like the sort of thing that is said about a coach who should be sacked.

Yes at one point in the season we looked unbeatable and then we were embarrassed.

I know you have family who work for the club but you are allowed to criticise sometime.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:23 pm  
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Yes at one point in the season we looked unbeatable and then we were embarrassed.

I know you have family who work for the club but you are allowed to criticise sometime.


That was also at a time due to injuries price had little choice in team selection and it worked infact prices input on that winning team was to break it up as players returned from injury
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Re: Greg Inglis : Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:38 pm  
If KP is really saying he wants Wire to be one of the worlds biggest brands? Delusional?
RL is the best sport in the world, that's true. But it will only ever be appreciated in the M62 corridor.
I'm OK with that.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:52 pm  
Wigan, at least in the 1990s, was a brand that transcended the M62 corridor. Maybe not worldwide, but certainly across England and in Australia. That would be something to aim for for starters.

I guess one rule of thumb is, if you asked a random person who was not a RL fan to name some Super League teams, who would they say. How common would Warrington be one of the answers.

Try it yourselves with RU, if you aren't a RU fan. I bet you can think of three of four clubs. They might not even be a place, you might not know where they actually play, but you know the name because you know the brand.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:21 am  
Its true, Saracens and wasps were well known when growing up in the 90s, I had no idea where they were
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Re: Greg Inglis : Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:11 am  
Both of those brands are not based where they were in the 1990s either.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:28 am  
We are well off topic now, but since the discussion seems to have drifted yet again to aspects of the club where we believe there are issues, I would suggest there are three main problems;

1. Academy is not producing enough first team players.
This has been discussed at length before but I don't think we should underestimate it. Saints, Wigan, Leeds all have a very strong track record with their academies and I personally think it's just as important as our recruitment. With the departure of Harvey Livett, we now have a gap of 6 years where we have not produced a squad player (Philbin and King).

2. Our recruitment has been poor.
We have probably spent too much time bringing in expensive 'stars' to gain publicity rather than focussing on deficiencies in the squad eg it was a long time before we got some form of Briers replacement and more recently the two bench props that a blind man could have spotted. The Board, KFP and Price will all have an input in this area, but as KFP is in charge of the month to month financial running of the club I think he is probably the main culprit here.

3. The coach is underperforming.
We should be consistently top four and winning silverware with the money we spend on our squad, but it's not happening. It's difficult to pinpoint what has gone wrong here because we see so little of what Price does with the squad in training. But we do know he is relatively inexperienced and lacks a track record of success. Tactics, particularly close to the line have been poor. Defence as you might expect from an Aussie coach has been good. He is very risk averse, so we see little exposure of the academy kids and given the option he tends to play the same group of players from the squad. He doesn't seem to be able to lift the players and motivate them when the chips are down. Considering the long hours he works he just doesn't seem to have the talent for the job.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:43 am  
Winslade's Offload wrote:
We are well off topic now, but since the discussion seems to have drifted yet again to aspects of the club where we believe there are issues, I would suggest there are three main problems;

1. Academy is not producing enough first team players.
This has been discussed at length before but I don't think we should underestimate it. Saints, Wigan, Leeds all have a very strong track record with their academies and I personally think it's just as important as our recruitment. With the departure of Harvey Livett, we now have a gap of 6 years where we have not produced a squad player (Philbin and King).

2. Our recruitment has been poor.
We have probably spent too much time bringing in expensive 'stars' to gain publicity rather than focussing on deficiencies in the squad eg it was a long time before we got some form of Briers replacement and more recently the two bench props that a blind man could have spotted. The Board, KFP and Price will all have an input in this area, but as KFP is in charge of the month to month financial running of the club I think he is probably the main culprit here.

3. The coach is underperforming.
We should be consistently top four and winning silverware with the money we spend on our squad, but it's not happening. It's difficult to pinpoint what has gone wrong here because we see so little of what Price does with the squad in training. But we do know he is relatively inexperienced and lacks a track record of success. Tactics, particularly close to the line have been poor. Defence as you might expect from an Aussie coach has been good. He is very risk averse, so we see little exposure of the academy kids and given the option he tends to play the same group of players from the squad. He doesn't seem to be able to lift the players and motivate them when the chips are down. Considering the long hours he works he just doesn't seem to have the talent for the job.

Good post and well summarised.

Does anyone actually know who identifies and signs the players? Obviously we have scouts and a recruitment team so who is actually identifying the player and does Price have the final decision? As someone who is a big critic of Price - to be fair to him our recruitment has been poor for a while now before he came in.
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Re: Greg Inglis : Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:29 pm  
There's a lack of logic here. Not enough academy players and crap recruitment but we have a squad good enough to win trophies. Where are these players materialising from? Or does the coach get more out of them than we should expect?
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