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Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:54 pm  

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TF and the wire wrote:
Hope he doesn't bring that creepy fella with the long hair and cap.

Ryan Sheridan.

I think that he was also Powell`s assistant before they went to Castleford, so maybe Powell will want to bring him here?

Lee Briers` Wire career could be over?
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:02 pm  
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lefty goldblatt wrote:
Shrugs shoulders in a massive feeling of underwhelmment.

I've not been as disappointed since Alex Murphy promised us a "top class coach", and we ended up with DVDV


Total opposite for me if this is true: I'm really pleased and think its the right appointment. Up there with bringing in TS in 2009 as a move that will get the club on the right path.

I would have been happy with any of McDermott, Wane and Powell and in the time since Price announced he was leaving at the end of the season, I've gone back and forth about which one of those I would want if given the choice.

I'd have been more reassured by McDermott and Wane's track records in winning trophies at big clubs but Powell has three big things in his favour:

1) He's been successful in different environments: Leeds, Featherstone and Cas were all different situations and he improved each one significantly from the situation he inherited. You never know how Wane/McDermott would do in a different environment (unless you can read much into McDermott at London and Toronto).

2) He's improved players that he's inherited or brought in as non-obvious signings. He changed the culture at Leeds from expensive big stars to the young hungry squad that TS later won with. When he took over Cas in 2013, if you saw what his 2017 squad would be on paper you would have said that looks like about 8th in SL, not one that would dominate the league season. He hasn't been a coach that has indulged himself in galactico signings, he has an eye for a signing and seems to improve guys when they play under him.

3) He plays attacking, expansive rugby. This will be a welcome change for us. One of the most creditable things about Cullen during his time here was he had a philosophy about us wanting to be an attacking team, from his early days ('get the nails out of Jon Clarke's feet') to wanting the pitch specifications at the HJ to be wide so he could bring in attacking strike players. We've lost that since about the mid point of the TS era, but I think Powell will revisit that. If the knock on him is "he hasn't won things and has come up short in big games", well that has been where we have been in recent years too...but I'd rather we came just short playing expansive positive rugby like Cas did, than what we have had recently.

I know people knock him for his dour Yorkshire demeanour and tendency to have a moan in press conferences, but he seems to be well regarded by players that play for him. I get the impression he's a serious coach who has no time for wasters and showboats and won't be trying to bullpoop the fans or players by trying to 'say all the right things'. Also people have complained about the 'jobs for the boys' culture at Warrington and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will be doing favours for people who aren't up to the job.

There are no guarantees with any appointment but all things considered I think this is a really positive move for the club and it has lifted a lot of the cynicism I've felt towards the club for a while now.
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Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:06 pm  

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sally cinnamon wrote:
Total opposite for me if this is true: I'm really pleased and think its the right appointment. Up there with bringing in TS in 2009 as a move that will get the club on the right path.

I would have been happy with any of McDermott, Wane and Powell and in the time since Price announced he was leaving at the end of the season, I've gone back and forth about which one of those I would want if given the choice.

I'd have been more reassured by McDermott and Wane's track records in winning trophies at big clubs but Powell has three big things in his favour:

1) He's been successful in different environments: Leeds, Featherstone and Cas were all different situations and he improved each one significantly from the situation he inherited. You never know how Wane/McDermott would do in a different environment (unless you can read much into McDermott at London and Toronto).

2) He's improved players that he's inherited or brought in as non-obvious signings. He changed the culture at Leeds from expensive big stars to the young hungry squad that TS later won with. When he took over Cas in 2013, if you saw what his 2017 squad would be on paper you would have said that looks like about 8th in SL, not one that would dominate the league season. He hasn't been a coach that has indulged himself in galactico signings, he has an eye for a signing and seems to improve guys when they play under him.

3) He plays attacking, expansive rugby. This will be a welcome change for us. One of the most creditable things about Cullen during his time here was he had a philosophy about us wanting to be an attacking team, from his early days ('get the nails out of Jon Clarke's feet') to wanting the pitch specifications at the HJ to be wide so he could bring in attacking strike players. We've lost that since about the mid point of the TS era, but I think Powell will revisit that. If the knock on him is "he hasn't won things and has come up short in big games", well that has been where we have been in recent years too...but I'd rather we came just short playing expansive positive rugby like Cas did, than what we have had recently.

I know people knock him for his dour Yorkshire demeanour and tendency to have a moan in press conferences, but he seems to be well regarded by players that play for him. I get the impression he's a serious coach who has no time for wasters and showboats and won't be trying to bullpoop the fans or players by trying to 'say all the right things'. Also people have complained about the 'jobs for the boys' culture at Warrington and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will be doing favours for people who aren't up to the job.

There are no guarantees with any appointment but all things considered I think this is a really positive move for the club and it has lifted a lot of the cynicism I've felt towards the club for a while now.


Great Post Sc, I couldn't agree more.
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:19 pm  

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A few question marks here for me.

Who else was subject to the rigorous recruitment process? Is he a clear stand out (i.e. nobody else of note applied) or had he fought off competition? When successful coaches are semi-available (Wane/McDermott/Bennett) this question will be asked.

Why leave Cas now? He’s just secured the ‘core’ players that he needed. He has Evalds, Richardson, Trueman and McShane all locked in to contracts. Seems he had put together the key pieces of the puzzle, only to walk away.

What objectives have been set for his appointment to be successful? We have had a few Fitzpatrick debriefed after being dumped out of the play offs that suggested that Price was quite successful, even though not winning the big one (or he would have got the bullet years ago) I don’t think this view is shared with the fans, or should be shared across the board. I think a clear expectation should be set for what is DEMANDED from the role. And with that, set a realistic exit strategy.

I see why we got him, but I’m not overly excited by it.
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:07 pm  
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sally cinnamon wrote:
Total opposite for me if this is true: I'm really pleased and think its the right appointment. Up there with bringing in TS in 2009 as a move that will get the club on the right path.

I would have been happy with any of McDermott, Wane and Powell and in the time since Price announced he was leaving at the end of the season, I've gone back and forth about which one of those I would want if given the choice.

I'd have been more reassured by McDermott and Wane's track records in winning trophies at big clubs but Powell has three big things in his favour:

1) He's been successful in different environments: Leeds, Featherstone and Cas were all different situations and he improved each one significantly from the situation he inherited. You never know how Wane/McDermott would do in a different environment (unless you can read much into McDermott at London and Toronto).

2) He's improved players that he's inherited or brought in as non-obvious signings. He changed the culture at Leeds from expensive big stars to the young hungry squad that TS later won with. When he took over Cas in 2013, if you saw what his 2017 squad would be on paper you would have said that looks like about 8th in SL, not one that would dominate the league season. He hasn't been a coach that has indulged himself in galactico signings, he has an eye for a signing and seems to improve guys when they play under him.

3) He plays attacking, expansive rugby. This will be a welcome change for us. One of the most creditable things about Cullen during his time here was he had a philosophy about us wanting to be an attacking team, from his early days ('get the nails out of Jon Clarke's feet') to wanting the pitch specifications at the HJ to be wide so he could bring in attacking strike players. We've lost that since about the mid point of the TS era, but I think Powell will revisit that. If the knock on him is "he hasn't won things and has come up short in big games", well that has been where we have been in recent years too...but I'd rather we came just short playing expansive positive rugby like Cas did, than what we have had recently.

I know people knock him for his dour Yorkshire demeanour and tendency to have a moan in press conferences, but he seems to be well regarded by players that play for him. I get the impression he's a serious coach who has no time for wasters and showboats and won't be trying to bullpoop the fans or players by trying to 'say all the right things'. Also people have complained about the 'jobs for the boys' culture at Warrington and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy who will be doing favours for people who aren't up to the job.

There are no guarantees with any appointment but all things considered I think this is a really positive move for the club and it has lifted a lot of the cynicism I've felt towards the club for a while now.


Ah Sal, your insights have been one of the things I’ve missed the most during my sabbatical away from RLFANS. Superb post as always.
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Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:47 pm  
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Smiffy27 wrote:
You also wrote:
Powell is actually a very good coach who can actually coach a team and motivate his players.

So why so negative?

It’s called having a bit of light hearted humour on a Tuesday afternoon.

FWIW I rate Powell. I think it’s a good appointment and I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do with a better squad and resources.

If he brings Trueman with him I’ll be elated.
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:05 pm  

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Perhaps we also need some refreshment to our scouting set up to provide the calibre of player that Powell can improve & get the best out of instead of signing our usual overrated journeymen.
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:09 pm  
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Now official.

Be interesting to see if he brings his own team in, or we go again with Henderson, Briers et al
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Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:17 pm  

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Is this really (I mean, really) not going to happen until next year? It's going to be very strange for both coaches, but particularly Powell as the season progresses and both teams go through ups and downs.
Re: New coach Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:19 pm  

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Now official.

Be interesting to see if he brings his own team in, or we go again with Henderson, Briers et al


IMO he will bring in his own team... which I think is good for the club. Briers is quite rightly a Wire legend... but he needs to move on. (Maybe coming back in 5 - 10 years as a head coach).
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