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Re: Inglis : Sun May 02, 2021 4:27 pm  
Lineham has been shockingly stupid and it would be a kick in the teeth for Mamo, but I would prefer the flying pig to Mamo on the wing. Lineham's contract ends this year so perhaps we should be rather more hard nosed with any new offer.
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Re: Inglis : Sun May 02, 2021 4:37 pm  
Mamo to fullback then?
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Re: Inglis : Sun May 02, 2021 5:48 pm  
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I don't think the key performance indicator is not losing since round one, and neither do I think it's the amount of points we've scored. We are doing okay, and i doubt anyone really thinks we are that bad.

The important thing is: Do we look like a team that have improved over the last three seasons and do we think we have a chance of winning the Grand Final? For me, the answer is no. Beating Hull KR by 30ish points is all well and good, but nothing I saw yesterday leads me to believe we're going to do anything other than be a top six team that falls short in the playoffs. That is not a good return on the investment we've made.
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I don't think we will win the Grand Final but then again we didn't when we had a better coach in the first half of the previous decade. Bizarrely, St Helens haven't won the Challenge Cup in the time we have won it 4 times. This sort of thing happens in sport.

We do have the team - if all first choice 17 are fit and in form - to beat any team on the day. We will probably have to beat St Helens or Wigan to even get to the Grand Final and we've done it before. Just keep your fingers crossed we don't have to play Salford.
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Re: Inglis : Sun May 02, 2021 6:48 pm  
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I don't think we will win the Grand Final but then again we didn't when we had a better coach in the first half of the previous decade. Bizarrely, St Helens haven't won the Challenge Cup in the time we have won it 4 times. This sort of thing happens in sport.

We do have the team - if all first choice 17 are fit and in form - to beat any team on the day. We will probably have to beat St Helens or Wigan to even get to the Grand Final and we've done it before. Just keep your fingers crossed we don't have to play Salford.


This is true, but I think back in the first half of the previous decade we looked increasingly likely to do it over those first 3-4 years. Maybe it's me but after a surprising 2018 we seem to look increasingly less likely to win it. However, big changes are afoot in the off-season and our whole approach to success will be changing. We'll be focussing less on big player recruitment and former 'stars' and more on players with raw talent and hunger to be developed. I don't know if that means we'll finally win it but I bet we feel better after each match.

That said, we can't argue too much with what Price has done. He's delivered three finals and one trophy when he could have easily been a David Furner style disaster. He promised to fix the defence in year one, and he did. He just hasn't seemed to be able to turn this expensively assembled squad into a ruthless machine on a regular basis. Whether that's him or a stale culture who knows? But I've no doubt Powell will turn it upside down; Have a listen to interviews with his players about how gets the most out of them - he doesn't just go through the motions.
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Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 7:57 am  
Powell may turn it upside down, but he may also not be able to get it moving in the right direction quickly enough?

Don’t get me wrong, there was a period of relative success at Cas for a while, on a much smaller budget. And that is commendable, but it’s not a prolonged period of success. They won 6 games all year last season. They finished 5th the year before and while ironically they knocked us out, they got nilled Salford the following round of the play offs.

I’m not saying he’s doomed and destined to fail, it is a different beast being a Warrington coach. There is expectation beyond what has been earned. The club peacocks as a super club, without having actually backed it up. The last ‘great’ team was 2016 until Sandow/Currie finished their seasons, before that we were justifiably a great team in 2011-2013, aside from that were just decent challengers. It’s a tough job, but with that expectation comes money and a decent starting point by way of a squad.

But, there is nothing to say that he can replicate that in that environment. He had a budget at Leeds, signed players like Adrian Vowels, Ben Walker, Willie Poaching, Andrew Dunemann and David Furner. A list of decent players, and they all played a part (Walker aside, didn’t last too long). He also had a stellar academy to supplement that team, to his credit he put them in and stuck with them. But even then, they were shrewd signings.

But realistically, Smith took that squad of good kids and decent old boys and turned them into champions. Powell built a decent squad, but that list of signings in really uninspiring. The production of Sinfield, Burrow, Maguire, Mathers, Bailey, Diskin, Walker, JJB who all came in at the same time, really filled that squad with talent.

Since then he’s been on a shoestring, and getting a bit back from that, but the club expect more than a plucky underdog. Powell will have a huge budget, with Widdop and Austin likely to leave, along with Clark (2), Inglis and maybe Hill if rumours are to be believed. He needs to find some players to get us going from day 1, or he could be in trouble.

Fans get on the back quickly, even when we had the last huge squad purge, losing Briers, Morley, Monaghan, Hodgson, Carvell etc and trying to play the kids, the fans got on the back of Tony Smith. Even with all the credit he had in the bank. Powell won’t have that credit, Smith saw out a rocky 2014/15 because he had earned the respect, he bounced back in 2016 with a cup final, league leaders shield and grand final only to have ran out out that credit/loyalty 12 months on. If Powell has a “2015” style transition year, would the fans trust the project enough to not hound him out?
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Wire_91 wrote:its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are

Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 8:10 am  
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He's delivered three finals and one trophy

Is this good enough for a team spending so much on their playing roster and facilities ?
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Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 8:12 am  
I've mentioned this on here before, 2014 and 2015 are remembered as being poop years where we were a mile below the 2010-2013 squads.

People do forget that we finished both those seasons in grand final eliminators, iirc it was 2014 that Wigan got to the final with the skin of their teeth.

We were absolute hot garbage in both challenge cup semi finals though
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Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 8:33 am  
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Is this good enough for a team spending so much on their playing roster and facilities ?

Nope.
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Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 8:40 am  
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Is this good enough for a team spending so much on their playing roster and facilities ?


No. Which is the point I was making. I was just saying that also it wasn’t the disaster that Furner was at Leeds.

But... a Wigan side with Bateman, Hastings, French, Hardaker, Gildart, Farrell, Manfredi and arguably the biggest selection of quality youth available simply MUST win something this year or Lam will be considered more of a failure than Price, no?
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Re: Inglis : Mon May 03, 2021 10:25 am  
Only two out of St Helens, Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Hull (what I assume are the big five English spenders) plus Catalans can win a trophy each year.
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