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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:59 pm  
moving on... wrote:
Minikin, Mata'utia, Holmes, Harrison and possibly Bullock. :SLEEPY:

I bet Saints, Wigan and Leeds are bricking it.


I like Holmes and kept an eye on Mata'utia on Saturday against Salford and thought he had a decent game.

Harrison seems like a 'project' signing so gets a chance to prove himself likewise Bullock if he's signed, it depends on the deal and who he's replacing with movement elsewhere in the pack? As long as he's not a cut price Asotasi because that would be bad business at ANY price.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:00 pm  
St Helens Wolf wrote:
Williams for Austin
Mata'utia for Inglis / Mamo
Holmes for J Clark
Harrison for Akauola
Minikin for Lineham

If we can retain Hill and Ashton that doesn't look like a bad set of swaps as a whole (the Harrison injury is, however, a big setback).


I agree, Williams could potentially be the best signing we have made since Morley. The rest I don't think there is that much in it, but I do like Lineham.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:22 pm  
St Helens Wolf wrote:
Williams for Austin
Mata'utia for Inglis / Mamo
Holmes for J Clark
Harrison for Akauola
Minikin for Lineham

If we can retain Hill and Ashton that doesn't look like a bad set of swaps as a whole (the Harrison injury is, however, a big setback).


In terms of how I would assess it, I think Williams is an upgrade on Austin. Tough one regarding Mata’utia and Mamo as Mamo has probably had his best season ever with us this year. So I suppose it’s a slight downgrade on Mata’utia however, he brings a different skill set and can cover the halves and full back. J Clark has been pretty non-existent in the last 12 months for me and I think Davis should be selected ahead of him in the side anyway, so Holmes will be an improvement on him.

Shame for Harrison with that 8-12 months injury as I was looking forward to seeing him next year given he comes with a good reputation from the Championship. I think our time with Sita has drawn to close which will be a relief to many. Minikin and Lineham is fairly scratch, although I do like Lineham his discipline is to much of a flaw and he’s missed far to many games through suspension.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:15 pm  
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I agree, Williams could potentially be the best signing we have made since Morley. The rest I don't think there is that much in it, but I do like Lineham.


Lineham is a liability with his disciplinary record.

Wire didn`t offer him a new contract and none of the Super League top teams showed any interest in signing him.

That says it all.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:48 pm  
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Lineham is a liability with his disciplinary record.

Wire didn`t offer him a new contract and none of the Super League top teams showed any interest in signing him.

That says it all.


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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:01 pm  
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Wigan have signed a few guys who even their own families would struggle to pick out of a line-up. Leeds have signed our fourth best halfback.


The difference is, Wigan and Leeds generally have a great crop of young players able to come in and fill the squad, and they have a track record of winning Grand Finals with signings that we would consider unknown.

Warrington don't. So reducing the quality of our squad doesn't give us a better chance of winning.

It's a similar argument to the one that used to be levelled at the TS squad - Wigan and Leeds would have long crap spells during the regular season because they knew how to peak at the right time, whereas we wasted our good form during the regular season. By the end of TS time, we had learned to be crap during the regular season but it didn't result in us winning anything.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:42 pm  
Perhaps, but those days are changing. Our commitment to youth over the past decade and more is now bearing real fruit. Longstaff and Thewlis are really exciting and Wrench looks an excellent prospect. Sure Walter will enlighten us to more on their way through. These are also adding to established academy products of real quality that have graced our team for a few seasons.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:06 pm  
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Perhaps, but those days are changing. Our commitment to youth over the past decade and more is now bearing real fruit. Longstaff and Thewlis are really exciting and Wrench looks an excellent prospect. Sure Walter will enlighten us to more on their way through. These are also adding to established academy products of real quality that have graced our team for a few seasons.


We have been hearing this for years though. It's always "X is really exciting" or "looks an excellent prospect". We heard it about Rhys Evans, Declan Patton, Harvey Livett, Brad Dwyer, even going back 20 years the same was said about Sibbit, Noone, Gleeson, Pickersgill, Hulse. There was always someone on the old Wolfweb site saying "The future's bright, the future's Wire". What they probably mean is, we have some good kids coming through who look great in junior rugby and have good attitudes. That is a different thing from having young players who actually make an impact against SL pros. Wigan, Leeds and Saints regularly bring through players who are difference makers in big games, become internationals, and have NRL clubs chasing them. Our criteria of Academy success is just having a player get a good number of games in our first team.

I wonder if 3 or 4 years down the line these guys that we are hyping up as great Academy prospects now, will end up going to Salford, Widnes or Leigh, along with anguished debates on here about how they were great prospects but were "destroyed by poor coaching" and that Powell "prefers his favourites from Cas" rather than giving young lads a shot.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:22 pm  
Regards Thewlis and Longstaff (particularly the latter) do you notice a difference between these two and previous, recent big hopes? I do, despite it being early days. We also have King, Philbin and Cooper as top class academy products. Wigan's current crop does not look impressive, quantity over quality.
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Re: Greg minikin : Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:26 pm  
Boss Hog wrote:
Lineham is a liability with his disciplinary record.

Wire didn`t offer him a new contract and none of the Super League top teams showed any interest in signing him.

That says it all.


We don't know that for sure. Maybe wakey offered him the most cash? Maybe he feels they are building to something?

He has been a bt of a liability but a lot of that has been harsh treatment from the judiciary panel.
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