Re: Comparing squad strength to 2017 : Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:02 pm  

knockonknockon wrote:

can you remind us which h/b pairing got us in sl in the 2016 season - can you remind us which h/b we let go to help save huddersfield from serious relegation - can you remind us which h/b was then let go to give fev a good season and wallop us whilst we spent daft money on players who couldn't even get us in the p/offs - can you remind us which h/b was brought back and give us a good season in 2019 - i suppose some folk forget i guess

There's no doubting Ridyard was horribly mistreated in 2017. From getting thrown too soon whilst clearly still unfit for the first game against Castleford then Jukes stubbornly refusing to go back to what worked in 2016 when things started to go south from May onwards. Reynolds was equally mistreated, he played well early season but should have been taken out the firing line after his form dipped but Jukes persisted with him and he became the lightning rod for fans frustrations.

That all being said, Drinkwater was still our best halfback during that time and came in for a lot of unfair criticism because of Ridyards mistreatment.

Edit- just to add to Jukes mishandling, I still believe the 2018 fiasco would have been avoided by retaining McNally and Ridyard when we went down. The baby was well and truly thrown out with the bathwater by Cunningham and Jukes.

Re: Comparing squad strength to 2017 : Wed Feb 01, 2023 1:43 pm  

Good to see I managed to get such an impassioned reaction from fellow Leigh fans to my earlier posting. To Leyther Bob the 3 hookers were not identical. Mickey HIgham although at the end of his career could still accelerate over 10 yards and fool the best of defences-remember that try against the Wire? Hood was lethal like Roby near the line whereas Pellisier was a live wire around the ruck.
Like most people I could not understand the 3 defeats against Widnes. But for me the most inexplicable loss was the million pound game against Catalans. Only a few weeks previously we had absolutely destroyed the French in Perpignan in the middle 8’s by 30-6 in the best performance of the season- who can forget that 90 metre try from Corey Paterson. This seems to contradict the theory that we were burnt out at the end of the season, but does support the feeling that the coaching was not up to scratch. Don’t forget too, we would have stayed up in a normal season. Plus I will always remember our LSV derby victories over our Warrington, Wigan, Salford and St Helens especially the latter in front of 9,000.

Re: Comparing squad strength to 2017 : Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:58 pm  

CHEADLE LEYTHER wrote:

Good to see I managed to get such an impassioned reaction from fellow Leigh fans to my earlier posting. To Leyther Bob the 3 hookers were not identical. Mickey HIgham although at the end of his career could still accelerate over 10 yards and fool the best of defences-remember that try against the Wire? Hood was lethal like Roby near the line whereas Pellisier was a live wire around the ruck.
Like most people I could not understand the 3 defeats against Widnes. But for me the most inexplicable loss was the million pound game against Catalans. Only a few weeks previously we had absolutely destroyed the French in Perpignan in the middle 8’s by 30-6 in the best performance of the season- who can forget that 90 metre try from Corey Paterson. This seems to contradict the theory that we were burnt out at the end of the season, but does support the feeling that the coaching was not up to scratch. Don’t forget too, we would have stayed up in a normal season. Plus I will always remember our LSV derby victories over our Warrington, Wigan, Salford and St Helens especially the latter in front of 9,000.

You've just described 3 hookers that have a main strength in running game, they might have been slightly different in styles but they all relied on running the ball in rather than passing off the deck. None of them in 2021 had particularly good distribution from dummy half and the passing would be slow and inaccurate which would slow down our play. In contrast, Aaron Smith is primarily a ball playing hooker and his passing is reliably quick and accurate. Edwin Ipape is just a freak and has both a passing and running game far better than any hooker to ever play for Leigh.

Re: Comparing squad strength to 2017 : Thu Feb 02, 2023 10:33 pm  

Sep will or will not love this. Yes, Leigh had an unusually big pack then but became reliant on it. Widnes had an even larger 2017 pack and there was no Plan B.

Widnes 3-0 Leigh.

Btw: Congrats to Sep for topping the quiz amongst the Leythful!

Re: Comparing squad strength to 2017 : Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:53 am  

All bodes to one thing as far as Im concerned. Coaches !!!!

I thought the 2017 team was half decent, but very poorly coached. Lam would have kept that Team up no problem.

Yes, I too am a bit concerned, especially the backs, but its the 17 fit players on the pitch that wins you the matches. No disrespect to Mellor or Reynolds, but i wish we had a World Class running 6. Ipape anyone ?