[mish]

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:21 pm  

Walt Mooney Fan Club wrote:

If you want - what's the problem? You don't like it here - you want to join your girlfriend and family in the good old US of A. You appeared to applaud the sentiment of the Australian Prime Minister (which is a mis-quote by the way - as indicated in the Snopes article that I linked to earlier) - so I assume you will be taking advantage of your 'RIGHT TO LEAVE' ?

I'll take my chances here if it's all the same with you.

You missed my point - I was trying to say that each country is adapting the same story. It was an email sent to me - I just said it was the 'Aussie version', the same as we have a 'British version'. I didn't say it was true!

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:39 pm  

mutt1 wrote:

Would you say that too my face???

You want to go, no one is stopping you.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:47 pm  

mishmash wrote:

You missed my point - I was trying to say that each country is adapting the same story. It was an email sent to me - I just said it was the 'Aussie version', the same as we have a 'British version'. I didn't say it was true!

The 'speech' is true - but it was an article written by an American Air Force Veteran for his local newspaper in Georgia. It was later 'adapted' then claimed to have been a speech made by (depending on which bit of 'propaganda' you choose to believe) the last two Australian Prime Ministers.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:05 am  

I am totaly against racism,(so dont think for one moment that I am a BNP follower )but has anyone ever really read the BNP manifesto in its entirety? I haven't. There are probably people in the BNP who aren't "Nazis". There are probably people in our ruling parties that are "Nazis". The other thing I would say is 20 years ago I was one of the people that thought that this country should take in its fair share of immigrants. After all we had pillaged the planet for decades so we should give something back. Back then I was in the majority that thought this. Now the way things stand I have totaly changed my view and the views that I held are rapidly becoming the ones of the minority. This is not a country for the indigenous Englishman anymore. Its a country where we are being screwed at every oppotunity to support the governments immigration policies. I want a country where we can all live together in peace without racism but I also want my country back. I dont want a system that is biased towards foreign people coming here with absolutely nothing. There are areas in every major town and city in this country that are no go areas. Wether it is foreign people who can't go there or white english who can't go there. They exist and are growing. The ironic thing is, only one of these groups who control these types of areas are classed as racist.
There is a balance that is needed in this country (before the racists attract more followers) because at the moment it is heavilly against the Englishman.
One last thing I hate the word "immigrant". I know I used it but I dont know another that is apt for this. Cant use "foreign worker" or "asylum seeker" because some of the people that have come in recent years aren't either of these.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:47 pm  

Alexs Dad wrote:

Nik, did you or your mates put yourself in a position where the potential violence was real, or were they rmindless random attacks?

CS gas attack was an apparently random attack on a bar on a scooter rally - Long Bar at Great Yarmouth in the late 80s, the other two were when a meeting I'd been taken along to got turned over as they didn't like what was being said.
Both were documented in the press at the time, the Long Bar in Scootering magazine and the others in the local press at the time.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:12 pm  

Nik, a good friend of mine does the scooter thing and tells tale of similar. Dont get him on race and religeon when he's got his ska head on

The reason for asking is I have known a few far left people who have gone to 'events' and come off worse. They are as bad as the others in my opinion. Their thirst for outright anarchy far overshadowed any political statement they were trying to make.

Believe it or not, one of them is vegetarian, not because of his animal liberation beleifs, but simply because Hitler was.

He is in fairness quite a mixed up individual.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:19 pm  

1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants

2) people coming in from established EU countries aren't immigrants, because the EU is a single economic block. You are as entitled to go to spain or france to work, where you won't be classed as an immigrant either.

3) people coming from new accession EU countries have to live here for 3 years before being entitled to benefits, housing, or other perks like a cap on fees at universities

4) people working for less than minimum wage and undercutting local rates of pay are doing so illegally, whether immigrants or not. its their bosses who are cheating the system, and the traditional view would be that those workers themselves are being massvely and illegally exploited

5) people coming from outside the EU are not entitled to anything.

6) asylum seekers aren't entitled to anything and aren't allowed to work, either. The state does house and feed them at subsistence level while examining their cases. if they are granted asylum they are allowed to stay and join the benefit queue like everyone else. if not, they have to leave, and will be deported with complulsion if they don't leave voluntarily

7) asylum seekers who can be shown to have come to the UK from another safe country where they could have claimed asylum will be removed to that country of passage.

we were all happy to ride the economic boom on the back of cheap polish labour. Now the economy is gone to pot and jobs are on the line, it's a simple option to blame immigration. in practice it's nothing to do with immigration. we live in a globl economy, and those workers would more like be undercutting our jobs if they DIDN'T work within our system, but instead were able to work in lower-paid, less regulased, less safe environments back home.

9) its also the case that labour follows prosperity, and we've benefitted just as much as we've lost out. My mate's dad used to be an oil worker in Lybia, ffs. And does nobody remember Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?

10) Great Britain is an immigrant island. always has been. I hope it always will be

11) mutt you almost certainly wouldn't be allowed to settle in the USA or Australia. if you think you have something positive to offer society, it's clearly their loss. but if overseas workers have something to offer our society, then preventing their coming here is our loss.

12) last, a lighthearted note.. an old PM of New Zealand once said he was happy for any kiwis who wanted to move to Australia to do so, as it would increase the average IQ of both countries.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:41 pm  

Careful W71 - you're letting the truth get in the way of a good whinge. I don't think that's allowed on here!!

o/t bnp : Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:49 pm  

Wembley71 wrote:

1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants

2) people coming in from established EU countries aren't immigrants, because the EU is a single economic block. You are as entitled to go to spain or france to work, where you won't be classed as an immigrant either.

3) people coming from new accession EU countries have to live here for 3 years before being entitled to benefits, housing, or other perks like a cap on fees at universities

4) people working for less than minimum wage and undercutting local rates of pay are doing so illegally, whether immigrants or not. its their bosses who are cheating the system, and the traditional view would be that those workers themselves are being massvely and illegally exploited

5) people coming from outside the EU are not entitled to anything.

6) asylum seekers aren't entitled to anything and aren't allowed to work, either. The state does house and feed them at subsistence level while examining their cases. if they are granted asylum they are allowed to stay and join the benefit queue like everyone else. if not, they have to leave, and will be deported with complulsion if they don't leave voluntarily

7) asylum seekers who can be shown to have come to the UK from another safe country where they could have claimed asylum will be removed to that country of passage.

we were all happy to ride the economic boom on the back of cheap polish labour. Now the economy is gone to pot and jobs are on the line, it's a simple option to blame immigration. in practice it's nothing to do with immigration. we live in a globl economy, and those workers would more like be undercutting our jobs if they DIDN'T work within our system, but instead were able to work in lower-paid, less regulased, less safe environments back home.

9) its also the case that labour follows prosperity, and we've benefitted just as much as we've lost out. My mate's dad used to be an oil worker in Lybia, ffs. And does nobody remember Auf Wiedersehen, Pet?

10) Great Britain is an immigrant island. always has been. I hope it always will be

11) mutt you almost certainly wouldn't be allowed to settle in the USA or Australia. if you think you have something positive to offer society, it's clearly their loss. but if overseas workers have something to offer our society, then preventing their coming here is our loss.

12) last, a lighthearted note.. an old PM of New Zealand once said he was happy for any kiwis who wanted to move to Australia to do so, as it would increase the average IQ of both countries.

Thanks for this post and point 12 in particular . I think that is a great thing to say by any politician. I,m still chuckling about it.

: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:07 pm  

Wembley71 wrote: 1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants. Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/

Wembley71 wrote: 1) there is no system in this country regardinng benefits or housing that favours immigrants. Oh yes there is. Neither you nor I can claim for any of this. http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/asylu ... rtamounts/