: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:10 pm  

Asda carpark wrote:

Where did I point out that was the 'immigrants' fault that they are here?
If there are so many people out of work, searching for work and sometimes 1000 people applying for one job(and are overqualified) why do we need more workers in this country. A member of my family has already downgraded the jobs he will go for. And before the months out will probably do it again. My younger sister has already been told not to bother searching for jobs in her chosen profession when she qualifies because there are people of 35 years of experience who can't get a job.Is bringing in more migrants going to solve this? I dont think the answer is more than a 2 letter word. Will my waiting time to see a specialist go down if more migrants turn up?? Where you the one saying that a capitalist government is wrong when everything was going right? Everyone with a set of eyeballs knows what is wrong. Bringing in 15 low paid workers from oversees to do what 10/15 friends of mine would do is not the answer.

Racism

1.Is it racist to say that immigrants should not be allowed to caome to my country?

No it is common sense. Hospitals, housing, schools, roads etc. are all at breaking point because of the size of our countryand the woeful neglect of not just this Government but since the late 70's early eighties. Will having a load of immigrants solve this problem? Nope
Is it racist to put up a Union Flag on my property?


No.No.No.
Is it racist to express outrage at a returning regiment from Iraq or Afghanistan?

No.No.No.
But according to our law it is inciting racial hatred. Where I to go into a predominantly muslim area and wear placards stating that Islam was against the human rights of women I know I wouldnt be a free person for long.


My last point is this.

Voting the BNP is not racist or stupid. If you put it like that then :To vote for Labour would mean that you support going to Iraq and cleaning up for them whilst turning a blind eye to Zimbabwe. To supporting the rebuilding of Afghanistan whilst not helping African Countries. To vote Tory would mean that you agreed with the first Iraq war. You do not vote for someone or something because you agree with every policy they have. You vote for them because you believe they have the best policies for you, your family and your country. I have voted Labour. That is it. No-one else ever. I don't agree with Gordon Browns policies on taxes. But I agree with going into Afghanistan. Its about the best possible choice and finally I now realise that the main 2 (and I will be looking at Lib Dems more closely now) are wrong. Maybe I will vote for BNP. Probably not. Doesn't mean i'm racist or stupid.

Sorry pal it doesn't stack up.

You can justifiably vote for a party yet still disagree with some of its policies.

However, you can't justifiably vote for a party if you disagree with its core values. Particularly if they are extreme values.

Unless that is you are ignorant of those values.

Racist or ignorant it is then. (And ignorant does not mean stupid, though it is generally used synonymously these days)

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:26 pm  

waterfield's finest wrote:

Sorry pal it doesn't stack up.

You can justifiably vote for a party yet still disagree with some of its policies.

However, you can't justifiably vote for a party if you disagree with its core values. Particularly if they are extreme values.

Unless that is you are ignorant of those values.

Racist or ignorant it is then. (And ignorant does not mean stupid, though it is generally used synonymously these days)

Do you know what the core value of any party bar the BNP is these days? I'd say they arnt so far apart. I know you can see on websites and so forth but what one says and one does are 2 different things. There is always a new policy coming out for something which even if its godd will still get slagged by everyone else. Politics. Thats the problem. Amateurs trying to run this good country of ours.

I think you can vote for a party if you disagree with its core values. What if you disagree with every parties core values? Not likely. Maybe you have a bee in your bonnet about one such thing. Which may be your point about ignorance. I dont know. I can see why people are leaning towards the BNP. I wouldnt now because I have read ALL there policies and the mission statement not on the website. And took it in eventually. My original point was that you are not racist if you vote BNP. Maybe fed up. Ethnic minorities are now looking at them. Are they racist? I think its because whatever Government has been charge over my lifetime has been an abject failure. At just about everything.

Anyways. Thanks for the debate, its good to disgaree and get things off ones chest. Going to celebrate St Patricks day with a lovely pint of Guinness. Will I celebrate St Georges day? Don't even know when it is.....

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:42 pm  

All I know is there a far too many people in this country playing the system, immigrant or otherwise and those of us who work hard to earn a living are paying for it all and it takes the pi@s.

I don't know how to resolve it but something needs to change because the country is going to the dogs.

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:58 pm  

Asda carpark
have a good st patricks day

o/t bnp : Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:05 pm  

Our country is in a mess for one reason and its all down to the bankers.

Anyone who thinks voting BNP is the answer should watch the TV series a Warning from History.

Re: o/t bnp : Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:07 pm  

frankb wrote:

Our country is in a mess for one reason and its all down to the bankers.

Anyone who thinks voting BNP is the answer should watch the TV series a Warning from History.

From a financial standpoint in terms of credit etc maybe but the government are to blame really

Re: o/t bnp : Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:17 pm  

frankb wrote:

Our country is in a mess for one reason and its all down to the bankers.

Anyone who thinks voting BNP is the answer should watch the TV series a Warning from History.

I would agree totally but for one thing. Regulation. Gordon Brown seems to harp on about it everyday to the point where I actually turn the TV off when I see his face. Its ultimately his fault for this problem in THIS country. Overseas problems have not helped one iota but its his tax tax tax and spend spend spend policy which has now got us in the muck. It was his failure to put regulations into the banking system and press foreign nations to do the same. It was his tax policy on pensions which forced many investors to look elsewhere. i.e shares and houses. It is all his fault. And I voted for Labour.


But then I haven't much choice and my vote wouldn't matter anyway.

Re: o/t bnp : Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:19 pm  

Asda carpark wrote:

I would agree totally but for one thing. Regulation. Gordon Brown seems to harp on about it everyday to the point where I actually turn the TV off when I see his face. Its ultimately his fault for this problem in THIS country. Overseas problems have not helped one iota but its his tax tax tax and spend spend spend policy which has now got us in the muck. It was his failure to put regulations into the banking system and press foreign nations to do the same. It was his tax policy on pensions which forced many investors to look elsewhere. i.e shares and houses. It is all his fault. And I voted for Labour.


But then I haven't much choice and my vote wouldn't matter anyway.

Get Jeremy Clarkson in power... I'd vote for him

: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:18 pm  

waterfield's finest wrote:

Sorry pal it doesn't stack up.

You can justifiably vote for a party yet still disagree with some of its policies.

However, you can't justifiably vote for a party if you disagree with its core values. Particularly if they are extreme values.

Unless that is you are ignorant of those values.

Racist or ignorant it is then. (And ignorant does not mean stupid, though it is generally used synonymously these days)

Exactly! Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information of a particular subject. If someone was to vote BNP citing they where unaware of the BNP's core, racist values, they would be displaying breath-taking stupidity, as those facts are well documented.

Anyway - as a first generation immigrant 'Paddy', I'm away now to celebrate my Hibernian culture, with a few pints of the dark stuff, and a couple of glasses of poteen !!

Sláinte Mhaith!!

Re: o/t bnp : Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:50 pm  

frankb wrote: Our country is in a mess for one reason and its all down to the bankers. Have you seen this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009 ... nction-tax People should be burning down the banks not moaning about immigrants. Pity I can't get to this event, I hope it kicks off big style. http://www.lasthours.org.uk/wp-content/ ... ontweb.gif

frankb wrote: Our country is in a mess for one reason and its all down to the bankers. Have you seen this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009 ... nction-tax People should be burning down the banks not moaning about immigrants. Pity I can't get to this event, I hope it kicks off big style. http://www.lasthours.org.uk/wp-content/ ... ontweb.gif