: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:07 am  

TV BOY wrote:

And on the other hand Leigh Rd in Boothstown was closed yesterday for what looked to me to be a relatively minor shunt. Both vehicles had been moved to the side of the road. All parties looked to be walking around but there were three police vehicles two ambulances and not a lot happening apart from the police diverting traffic. The vehicles were not even blocking the highway. But then again I was a disgruntled driver who had been diverted and didn't know all the facts.

About 3 1/2 years ago I was hit on the M6 and one Police car turned up asked how we were watched us exchange details and did one... was there all of 5 minutes. One of the girls in the other car had whiplash and he didn't even call for paramedics to get us all checked over.

My drivers side was a write off and I was stuck on the hard shoulder waiting for a tow at rush hour on a Friday evening. Just goes to show how things differ doesn't it.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:11 am  

Furry Mound wrote:

As a Police Officer, it would appear that the ones questioning the Police's actions have no idea about investigating a crime scene.

Oweing to the fact that it was a tragic fatal road traffic incident, there are all manner of people that need to attend the scene.

The initial response officers, traffic patrols, senior investigating officers, cid, collision reconstruction unit, further officers to help maintain a sterile cordon so the matter can be investigated thoroughly, to name but a few.

All these people will be coming from different places and distances, thus the time it takes to get there. The collision reconstruction unit for instance, investigate serious and fatal accidents, they are massively important in securing convictions and explaining what has happened at the scene. The officer will have been on call and will have had to then make his way to the scene.

We must not forget that this is a tragedy for all concerned and the Police will do their upmost to investigate the matter.

I would of thought getting the person responsible (if he was breaking the law) was the most important part.

Sad that a bloke lost his life on what was probably just a good night out. I was enjoying myself at Thomas Burke (SPL?) at the time.

When something happens good to see the poloce turned up.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:05 pm  

i really cant believe some of the posts on this thread


they remind me of the people you see at airports demanding their plane takes off on time, despite the fact it has got half its engine in bits being repaired on the runway

hope todays minutes silence at the game doesnt lead to a thread about "how i had to be quiet for a while, and couldn't talk to my mates"

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:28 pm  

Starbug wrote:

yes I'd had a couple but not enough to cloud what was on view , I am fully aware that different people have different jobs to do , but I would suggest that the officers I witnessed were not executing these tasks but were standing chatting

As I said the last one I saw arrive just joined in the line along the cordoned off area and did not even walk over to where the actual incident had taken place

As they were telling everybody to detour via Mather lane then hopefully there were some other officers patrolling around that detour to make sure that many of the youngish children and teenagers that would have had to go that way got home safely

Or maybe not

When you're in a hole...stop digging!

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:03 pm  

the exile wrote:

When you're in a hole...stop digging!

hope starbug takes your advice.

this is by far the most embarrasing thread in a long time.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:46 pm  

Dick Jones wrote:

Lets put it another way , the alternate route for an 18 year old girl who lives in Etherstone Street, whos no money for a taxi, as shes been Barbs and only lives a stones throw away, is to go up Bedford and Down Mather Lane(how safe would that be) or walk down Twist Lane and up the bypass. Did anyone ensure it was a safe route?

It is not the Police's responsibility to walk people home, yes they have a duty of care to the public, but does that mean they have to take everybody home who can't afford a taxi. Maybe another good idea would have been for the morbid onlookers to offer their services instead of rubber necking at somebody else's awful mis-fortune and moaning about the Police.

mishmash wrote:

For the record, I don't see any harm in clearing a passage so that pedestrians can go past.

It is not in the Police's interest to intentionally hinder people. I'm sure if it was possible to have made some kind of safe, sterile route over the bridge, then this would have been done. Given my earlier comments about the collision reconstruction unit, they take everything into account. Not just in the immediate vaccinity of the incident but also further affield, so they do not miss any evidence. Given the time of night, I'm sure you'll agree that investigating this type of incident would be hindered by the lack of sufficient light.

TV BOY wrote:

And on the other hand Leigh Rd in Boothstown was closed yesterday for what looked to me to be a relatively minor shunt. Both vehicles had been moved to the side of the road. All parties looked to be walking around but there were three police vehicles two ambulances and not a lot happening apart from the police diverting traffic. The vehicles were not even blocking the highway. But then again I was a disgruntled driver who had been diverted and didn't know all the facts.

I think you've just answered youor own post there As you say, nobody knows all the facts other than the emergency services at the scene. There could have been oil or any other kind of debris on the road.

worldcup wrote:

I would of thought getting the person responsible (if he was breaking the law) was the most important part.

According to the news, somebody was arrested at the scene. However, given the way the british justice system works, even a full and frank admission and a guilty plea by a person who is totally compos mentis is not enough to secure a conviction. In order to do this, the prosecuting agent (the CPS) have to provide all the possible evidence they can and that is compiled by the Police and other relevant authorities. A defence solicitor will always try and undermine the prosecution, so it has to be water tight.


On a personal note, I think it is an outrage that people are questioning the actions of the emergency services, just because people were put out of their way. I pray the poor man's family don't get to see this and see just what kind of society we live in.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:15 pm  

[quote="Furry Mound"]It is not the Police's responsibility to walk people home, yes they have a duty of care to the public, but does that mean they have to take everybody home who can't afford a taxi. Maybe another good idea would have been for the morbid onlookers to offer their services instead of rubber necking at somebody else's awful mis-fortune and moaning about the Police.




It is not in the Police's interest to intentionally hinder people. I'm sure if it was possible to have made some kind of safe, sterile route over the bridge, then this would have been done. Given my earlier comments about the collision reconstruction unit, they take everything into account. Not just in the immediate vaccinity of the incident but also further affield, so they do not miss any evidence. Given the time of night, I'm sure you'll agree that investigating this type of incident would be hindered by the lack of sufficient light.




I think you've just answered youor own post there As you say, nobody knows all the facts other than the emergency services at the scene. There could have been oil or any other kind of debris on the road.



According to the news, somebody was arrested at the scene. However, given the way the british justice system works, even a full and frank admission and a guilty plea by a person who is totally compos mentis is not enough to secure a conviction. In order to do this, the prosecuting agent (the CPS) have to provide all the possible evidence they can and that is compiled by the Police and other relevant authorities. A defence solicitor will always try and undermine the prosecution, so it has to be water tight.


On a personal note, I think it is an outrage that people are questioning the actions of the emergency services, just because people were put out of their way. I pray the poor man's family don't get to see this and see just what kind of society we live in.[/quote]





absolutely!!


some of the posts on here have been insensitive at best, and crass at worst

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:35 pm  

The point of my original post seems to have been twisted for some reason , Yes I had to make other arrangements to get home but nowhere in my post did I complain or show any annoyance about that

So please read what is there not what you think is there

I will bow down to our more informed poster on what the officers have to do and I do have the utmost respect for the sometimes very difficult job they do

I am not one of these people that will always refer to any police vehicle with flashing lights and siren as " being late for his tea " as I have heard on countless times from others

I know what I saw and there were people much more agitated with it than me

I'll leave it there as nothing is now being served other than one or two people seemingly trying to score points

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:10 am  

Starbug wrote:

The point of my original post seems to have been twisted for some reason , Yes I had to make other arrangements to get home but nowhere in my post did I complain or show any annoyance about that

So please read what is there not what you think is there

I will bow down to our more informed poster on what the officers have to do and I do have the utmost respect for the sometimes very difficult job they do

I am not one of these people that will always refer to any police vehicle with flashing lights and siren as " being late for his tea " as I have heard on countless times from others

I know what I saw and there were people much more agitated with it than me

I'll leave it there as nothing is now being served other than one or two people seemingly trying to score points

Let's look at your original post then.

Starbug wrote:

People does it take to change a light bulb ?

Not sure but I would guess 1

Not the best way to start a post about someone losing their life. Admittedly, you didn't know tht at the time, but some kinnd of thought prior to posting may have been in order.

Starbug wrote:

But to answer the question ' How many policemen/women does it take to attend a road incident ?

At least 20 it would seem

There has been a incident on Leigh bridge tonight and somebody has been seriously injured or worse

I think this has been clarified.

Starbug wrote:

But you have to wonder why when there are already 6 police vehicles and an ambulance in attendance on one side of the bridge with at least a dozen police personnel we get yet another vehicle charging up depositing yet 2 more officers to walk around talking to each other

I dont know how many vehicles/police personnel were on the other side of the bridge but no doubt there were some

Same again, think this has been clarified.

Starbug wrote:

Yes I understand the need to collect all the relevant information but after seeing what was happening we had half the greater manchester police there tonight , many turning up 30 minutes after the original incident

Yup, same again, think I've sorted this one.

Starbug wrote:

All the tells me is that either they have little else to concern them or they are all trying to avoid incidents elsewhere

I have nothing to say about this one!

So I don't think anything has been twisted. I read entirely what was there and replied to it, but I thank you for appreciating the difficult job the Police undertake day in day out.

I cannot stress enough that I am not trying to score points!!

This is something I feel strongly about and will fight for and defend until I am out of breath. I have been in the Police 7 years and am only 26. I have witnessed some of the most horrendous things, that I never wish to see again, but am sure I will.

I continue to parade on at all hours of the day to serve the public, hoping that little old me is making a difference when many members of the public are offering a constant feeling of hatred and loathing daily. I have been abused, I have been assaulted, I have had all manner of things done to me. I do not claim to be a martyr, as I know Officers who have been through more than me and people who do a far more dangerous job than me. I only wish to highlight the enormity of the task in hand for Police Officers.

I am not sayiing that the people on this thread are some of these people, but I hope they would understand why I wish to defend myself and the other thousands of brave Officers nation and world wide.

I hope this is the end of this debate (please feel free to private message me if you require further info) and that people will spare a thought for the family and friends of the poor man who lost his life and unwittingly inspired this thread.

Now lets get back to talking about rugby!!!!

: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:19 am  

Furry Mound wrote:

Now lets get back to talking about rugby!!!!

After reading all this, the above quote is the only thing that matter on a "Rugby"forum.