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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:12 pm  
I've come round to the view that we should tell SL/RFL to stuff it, and have the championship clubs break away and form our own league. Rugby League not Super League.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:27 pm  
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That's almost rfl spin like lol. £1.5 million lost by creditors he picks it up for a tenth of that and even if he gets a reduced income from sky of say 800k for next 2 years, there's his 150k nicely stuffed in his back pocket straightway. Told rfl he has 6 mill to spend at the same time sticking 2 fingers up to creditors. WRONG WRONG WRONG.......just an opinion


I really don't see why it is any fault of the new owner. He wasn't involved in the old company so why should he be liable for their debts?

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You're bang on Demon, the administration process is an absolute farce in any walk of business and a bit like the stigma being removed by bankruptcy, it's seen as an easy out. As long as the administrators get paid they're just there by the 'right people's' wish to tick the official boxes.


Without some form of process to deal with the failure of a Limited Liability Company no-one would ever take a commercial risk (it all goes back the the South Sea Bubble).

Administration in itself is not perfect but it can be a good way of saving a business from the scrapheap, preserving jobs and returning some value to creditors. It has got a bad name over the years due to some very high profile cases involving "pre-packs" where the same people end up owning the assets after the process but with the debt removed, but that is a product of the behaviour of individuals rather than a failure of the principle. Chapter 11 in the USA has a similar problem and they are also looking to close loopholes.

I have contributed to various working parties looking into how to improve the management of a company's failure and it is constantly reviewed - the removal of Crown Privilege as recently as 2002 for example - but unfortunately there are always very clever people looking for ways to get an advantage by sharp practice.

For what it's worth I think the Bulls are just victims of bad management and incompetence by the previous regime and there are no shenanigans going on.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:08 pm  
For me the issue isnt OK its the morals and competencies of the RFL and the franchise process.

BB have assets, its the players and the SL franchise - they have been bought for 150k :lol:
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:36 pm  
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For me the issue isnt OK its the morals and competencies of the RFL and the franchise process.

BB have assets, its the players and the SL franchise - they have been bought for 150k :lol:


The players are all free agents and so they have no value to the Administrator - employment contracts cannot be "sold" to a third party.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:38 pm  
Will be a rush for Bateman then.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:55 pm  
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Will be a rush for Bateman then.


Apparently there is a "gentlemen's agreement" that no one will sign a Bulls player until their season is complete.

I understand that Whitehead and Bateman will be wearing some shade of blue and yellow next year :SHHH: :WHISTLE:
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:37 pm  
It's a joke.

The best way I can see fo Leigh to handle this would be to declare that they are willing to submit to the mini-licence, but only on the condition that, should it be accepted, we should be guaranteed a full licence in 2014.
Obviously SL will never allow this, but it would make us look an ambitious and forward looking club.
If we stay out of it then we have to admit to not having any ambition at all.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:21 am  
I seem to recall our administrator was keen to sell Street, Hansen, Collier etc - how times have changed.
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:10 am  
Love the gentleman's agreement not to buy players. So now instead of paying for the likes of bateman the SL clubs could have their pick for free?
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Re: Will Leigh enter mini-franchise farce? : Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:01 am  
If Leigh want to get into SL and I believe they mostly do, then Leigh should apply under the rules set. Even if the rules are daft and Bulls are nailed on to get it. Play the RFL silly games and admin processes. apply for the mini franchise. It gives us more practise and gets us dealing with the people who make the decisions so that they see that we are people that they like doing business with.

They don't need us and we and they know that. We have to change their minds that SL would be enhanced by having us in. WE wont convince them by being awkward. We tried it and it didn't work.

Play the game.
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