Re: Could Esher be developed into a SL ground for the Bronco : Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:08 pm  

PC Plum wrote:

Ok facts man, can you give me a figure on the average crowd for games against Bradford that have had the venue and date changed with a weeks notice, when the Broncos (or Quins) have not won at home that season ?

Excuses are for failures......and believe me, we've been fed every excuse under the sun as to why we've failed to attract fans....

Prior to the start of the 2011 season, Harlequins Rugby League had finished in 10th and 11th place in the 2 previous seasons and even over the 15 years of SL the club had only finished in a Play-off position twice with 2nd place in 97 being the pinnacle of their achievements....in those 15 years and some 200 "home games", the team experienced 1 sub 2k gate when Sheffield attracted on 1,960 to the Stoop in 1999.

Since January 14th 2011 the team have played 32 "home games"...10 of which that have been sub 2k.....8 of these have been at games that HAVEN'T been moved..........

but you keep on finding excuses as to why we couln't get more than 1,500 to a game regardless of if it was movedat a weeks notice or not....

Re: Could Esher be developed into a SL ground for the Bronco : Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:34 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

WTF?
Bradford Bulls have now played London "away" 20 times in the 18 SL seasons....5 on the road games (4.900), 2 at the Valley (4,260), 5 at Griffin Park (4,000 average) and 8 at the Stoop (4,500).......they are the 4th best "draw card" in the SL calendar after St's, Wigan and Leeds....4,550 was the average before the wycombe night....not any more......it's now it's 4,394....seasons average is now 1,832....down 46% on what Gus inherited.
As for economic climate I was back in blightly last September.....Oxford street was rammed with shoppers.......but you defend the incompetence all you like......

Your figures are very transparent. There is a lot more that you can look into than the figures you regurgatate on this forum. As I've said, a lot of your figures don't include things like venue, time of year or even deeper things like was public transport running smoothly. That may be down to the work I'm in but I don't really see the value behind your stats.

You stated earlier in this thread that in 2006 the club averaged 4,917 and in 2012 averaged 2,807. By my calculations, the recession was announced in 2008 and since 2006 the club has seemingly lost 2,110 supporters in that time. Of course, the standard of rugby on offer has probably been a key factor in this loss but I don't think the recession has helped. This club is unique in the sense that the fans travel from far and wide to go to Twickenham, whereas many northern clubs' fans are drawn from that town. The increasing cost in petrol, public transport and the tightening of belts amongst many will have had an effect on this club's attendance figures.

I am not defending anyone. I personally think London Broncos are a wounded animal and are just waiting for to be put to sleep once and for all.

Re: Could Esher be developed into a SL ground for the Bronco : Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:02 am  

Moe Lester wrote:

Your figures are very transparent. There is a lot more that you can look into than the figures you regurgatate on this forum. As I've said, a lot of your figures don't include things like venue, time of year or even deeper things like was public transport running smoothly. That may be down to the work I'm in but I don't really see the value behind your stats.

They are basic stats...they can be read any way you want them to be, but they are pretty accurate and the main theme is that regardless of KO time, day of the week or Venue, they show an alarming drop in attendances in the last 2 and bit seasons...and no matter of analytical mumbo-jumbo will change that.

The Venue for the first 68 games played at the Stoop since 2006 was the Stoop...was about 3,750 (counting the double header as a 2,860 gate).....the venue for the next 13 was the stoop and averaged 3,124......the year after, 2 on the roads and 11 at the stoop averaged 2,807 and this year, of the 6 games thus far, the 4 at the stoop have averaged 2,111 a pop........

Kick off times and the recession are smoke screens.....the ST is as cheap as chips and the club have piddled about with game time since I can remember.....

Moe Lester wrote:

You stated earlier in this thread that in 2006 the club averaged 4,917 and in 2012 averaged 2,807. By my calculations, the recession was announced in 2008 and since 2006 the club has seemingly lost 2,110 supporters in that time. Of course, the standard of rugby on offer has probably been a key factor in this loss but I don't think the recession has helped. This club is unique in the sense that the fans travel from far and wide to go to Twickenham, whereas many northern clubs' fans are drawn from that town. The increasing cost in petrol, public transport and the tightening of belts amongst many will have had an effect on this club's attendance figures.

yeah...attendances at pretty much every other pro sports club have maybe dropped by about 5% accross the board........London Broncos have dropped close to 50%

Moe Lester wrote:

I am not defending anyone. I personally think London Broncos are a wounded animal and are just waiting for to be put to sleep once and for all.

On this we can agree.......it really is frustrating watching it happen to a club that had (and still has) so much potential....

Re: Could Esher be developed into a SL ground for the Bronco : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:52 am  

Moe Lester wrote:

There is a lot more that you can look into than the figures you regurgatate on this forum. As I've said, a lot of your figures don't include things like venue, time of year or even deeper things like was public transport running smoothly. That may be down to the work I'm in but I don't really see the value behind your stats.

Would be interested to see your analysis. I have looked at this in the past and there seem to be no obvious correlations. What is, however, undeniable is that current attendences are dismal.