Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:10 am  

Darthchris wrote:

fans

Customers is what we are. The Company have a balance sheet and the tickets we buy (Sales), together with the Merchandise we sell (more sales) are what makes the Company viable

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:14 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Customers is what we are. The Company have a balance sheet and the tickets we buy (Sales), together with the Merchandise we sell (more sales) are what makes the Company viable

... and that is the modern day sporting problem. We have stopped being a sport (as has football, cricket, Union etc.) and become BIG BUSINESS (well ALL the sports governing bodies like to think they have).


I am not a customer, I am a fan first and foremost. The fact I have to pay to suffer as a FAN is just an unfortunate product becuase the clubs now have to treat the club as a business (and part of the RL / sports industry) with profit, loss, cash flow and all the other bunk that goes with it.

BF was trying to raise some positives, but as is the case those who are positive (and likely in reality to be the majority) get shouted down by the minority - as happens in all aspects of life these days.


Don't get me wrong, some times a good moan is helpful and constructive... but most of the time is just end's up wearing down those on the receiving end - in this case the clubs back office who create mini miracles each week on shoestring budgets.

Win or lose the club turns out a side and we as fans have a choice - support or not to support.

If as a customer you don't like what is being served up you can always get up and leave, never to return.

This is not a dig at you Gutterfax, it is just you used the customer word. I am a customer when I go to the supermarket, I am a fan when I go and shout my head of at the Stoop.

Bl**dy hell it is warm in this office today, off for a lie down!

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:25 am  

retirethename wrote:

BF was trying to raise some positives, but as is the case those who are positive (and likely in reality to be the majority) get shouted down by the minority - as happens in all aspects of life these days.

No he wasn't. He gave some vague suggestion about 'getting behind the team' and some half-hearted suggestions about meeting up before the game and bringing friends along as a way of boosting attendances. In other words, stuff people on here have been doing for years. I notice you do nothing to address the valid concerns of people on here regarding marketing, the seating arrangements and other off-the-field activity. You do little to dissuade people on here from the notion you're a club apologist satisfied with mediocrity.

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:47 am  

The Penguin wrote:

No he wasn't. He gave some vague suggestion about 'getting behind the team' and some half-hearted suggestions about meeting up before the game and bringing friends along as a way of boosting attendances. In other words, stuff people on here have been doing for years. I notice you do nothing to address the valid concerns of people on here regarding marketing, the seating arrangements and other off-the-field activity. You do little to dissuade people on here from the notion you're a club apologist satisfied with mediocrity.

I have had no problems with sitting in our three season ticket seats - hence no need to complain. Should I find somebody in my seat I will ask them to move, if they get the hump I will seek out a steward. If the steward is un-helpful then I would choose to take it up with the club.

As for marketing, I get plenty of flyers, emails, season ticket information. I am happy with the service provided as it effects me and my family as season ticket holders. So again I have no need to complain.

I am happy with the general game day package offered. My daughter can get her face painted, I get a programme and read it. Go to the loo, buy some chips etc. so again no complaints and no moans.

I get through when I have called the club without being on hold for longer than I find intolerable. If it is busy I call back. So again I have no complaints.

I always find somewhere to park, so no issue there.

However, what does get up my nose is a lack of media coverage. But then that effects every club, some more than others. but how moaning on here can help I don't know. Only the club and the RL can really address that one - but a good starting point would be more NATIONAL TERRESTRIAL TV coverage. S no point loosing sleep over that big issue.


The only thing that has an effect on me is waiting 5 to 10 minutes on game day to get a beer. wait on, I better start a whinge thread on that to allow you and your moronic brain something to do.


As I have nothing to apologise for how can I be an apologist? why being content in life does it make me an apologist? BF asking for us to "gert behind the team" is positive, that is waht we as fans should do.


Getting things changed for the better in any walk of life takes time and no little diplomacy. something you young man lack! Hence nothing you contribute will effect any amount of change - except to may be get peoples backs up, which you clearly love!

If Brian clough where still around your the type he'd give clip round the ear to!

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:49 am  

Seriously, I am all for getting behind the team and making some noise, but let's face it, we are generally a quiet bunch of supporters (at home anyway) and nowhere near as tribal as some of our northern cousins.
I have posted elsewhere about trying to grow the L&L section next year, but even our friends from HKR were steered by only a dozen or so boistrous bunch at the top right hand of the North on Sunday.
The plusses this year are that there is a targeted campaign to get more families to the stoop and other stuff going on that is a step in the right direction. I am never one to shoot down a positive post...I just point out where I believe the club could do better and always suggest solutions. I don't bitch for the sake of it...I try to be objective, which let's face it, isn't always easy.
As for the back office staff, they do a great job on a shoestring....but there's another problem...the shoestring
Chicken and Egg scenario......more fans = more money for the back office staff........but without the back office staff (marketing) no extra fans.

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am  

[quote="retirethename"][/quote]

So you're happy with 2,000 people turning up to home games?

Good to know.

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:52 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Seriously, I am all for getting behind the team and making some noise, but let's face it, we are generally a quiet bunch of supporters (at home anyway) and nowhere near as tribal as some of our northern cousins.
I have posted elsewhere about trying to grow the L&L section next year, but even our friends from HKR were steered by only a dozen or so boistrous bunch at the top right hand of the North on Sunday.
The plusses this year are that there is a targeted campaign to get more families to the stoop and other stuff going on that is a step in the right direction. I am never one to shoot down a positive post...I just point out where I believe the club could do better and always suggest solutions. I don't bitch for the sake of it...I try to be objective, which let's face it, isn't always easy.
As for the back office staff, they do a great job on a shoestring....but there's another problem...the shoestring
Chicken and Egg scenario......more fans = more money for the back office staff........but without the back office staff (marketing) no extra fans.

Agreed.

On the subject of sticking the HKR fans in the North Stand. what happend in our first quins season against Cas? they made so much noise it was like a home game to them and they won.

I posted on here a call to close the stand to away fans, the club did just that.

May be and I know I am in for a lot of stick here ... but why not put L&L under the north stand? The noise would be amazing.

just a thought.

Re: Wakefield Home Game 17.05.09 : Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:02 am  

The Penguin wrote:

So you're happy with 2,000 people turning up to home games?

Good to know.

No I am not happy with 2000. however it is 1500 more than used to watch us as fulham as chiswick poly.

no it is not good enough, but it is not for me to drag in the masses it is the club. but with little funds what can they do? come on, show me your big plan?


No, thought not because you are in the same boat as me. The boat marked "we want the club to grow", the difference is I don't want to bore the other sin the boat to death with constant put downs.

Bottom line is we need sugar Daddy. We had one, he chucked us over for the Pies. We need to get over it and move on.


Accept there are two trophys to play for. Unless Saints or Leeds suddenly go down the toilet the other 12 clubs are just playing for a place on the ladder - and that is where I think the GAME has a major problem, which prevents clubs growing.


Union has the EDF, Anglo Saxon soething or other, first past the post, grand final, six nations, world cup, winter internationals - lots of chances to promote itself. RL does not.


Until the RFL get the game on a more world wide footing we shall remain as we are, sorry but that is the truth and has been the case since 1995!


News Corp and Rupert M realised RU had more world wide appeal, but could not get them to turn professional, so he offered the RFL and dope Maurice a large some of money to turn over the Aussies and poop on them - he truely delivered.

The RFU realised it was sink or swim and decided to swim, turn Pro and build the international game - dull as it is.


Off thread I know, but our crowds are but one part of a much bigger sport wide issue - recognition. not a think in the Express this week, very last page of the sport section in the Sun Monday down south- need I say more!

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:06 am  

Not a bad idea at all....just I doubt it would catch on.
I remember at GP a few people managed to get the wendy house (Brook road terrace) open for a few games and we had about 200 odd in there.....Cracking atmosphere when we drew with Leeds ..but the club have to make ends meet at the moment and we can't have it both ways.
I still believe that if policed properly, sticking away fans in the AA and AB sections for lower attended games and in the North for bigger games is the right way for now. AA and AB hold about 400 each...so sell AC to Quins fans to buffer the ST holders from the away lot.....and ensure that the ticket office KNOW WHERE TO SELL TICKETS FOR THE AWAY FANS.
Maybe....and only maybe, when we open the North for Bigger games we could also open the south for Loyal and Loud????? As I don't sit with L&L unless it's a free for all like Catalans, I can't comment on what they would prefer.

: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:16 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Not a bad idea at all....just I doubt it would catch on.
I remember at GP a few people managed to get the wendy house (Brook road terrace) open for a few games and we had about 200 odd in there.....Cracking atmosphere when we drew with Leeds ..but the club have to make ends meet at the moment and we can't have it both ways.
I still believe that if policed properly, sticking away fans in the AA and AB sections for lower attended games and in the North for bigger games is the right way for now. AA and AB hold about 400 each...so sell AC to Quins fans to buffer the ST holders from the away lot.....and ensure that the ticket office KNOW WHERE TO SELL TICKETS FOR THE AWAY FANS.
Maybe....and only maybe, when we open the North for Bigger games we could also open the south for Loyal and Loud????? As I don't sit with L&L unless it's a free for all like Catalans, I can't comment on what they would prefer.

All workable solutions. Bottom line is we need a low roof!


Back in 1997 the locals complained about the noise, so much so that at the Canbera game (I think) they had a bloke from the council with a noise meter and the ground announcer (who may have been chris W) at the time had to ask us to be a little less vocal - which of course we complied with... NOT!

Oh, for those days again.