Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:26 pm  

poplar panther wrote: Clubb has been out with a virus for two months, do keep up! Maybe it is you who needs to keep up See penultimate para for news of his comeback. http://www.londonrugbyleague.co.uk/article/9156/eton-harrowmelbourne

poplar panther wrote: Clubb has been out with a virus for two months, do keep up! Maybe it is you who needs to keep up See penultimate para for news of his comeback. http://www.londonrugbyleague.co.uk/article/9156/eton-harrowmelbourne

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:06 pm  

markrammond wrote:

Hello Jean,

In theory the club could choose any two from Howell, McMeeken, Hurst, Lovell, O'Callaghan, Sarginson, Grady, Channing and Clubb given that all have experience in the centres.

Clubb, Grady, McMeeken and Lovell are power based centres whilst Channing, Hurst, Howell, Sarginson and O'Callaghan rely more on technique and elusiveness. So there are options.

However only Clubb and Sarginson have a demonstratable scoring record.

Most of these names are unproven whilst Howell has had two seasons with 0 tries and 3 tries and O'C has only scored 18 times in nearly 90 games, making little case for their inclusion.

When you look at the very limited talent pool of English centres throughout Super League and perhaps more importantly with the lack of proven ability at our club, I can understand Jean's point about Clubby returning to his previous position as a Centre Threequarter.

He is a great attacking threat with deceptive pace, the desire to crash through anyone else to get to the line and looked like he could be a modern day senior.

However, I felt that Clubby looked exposed in defense towards the end of his spell in the backs.

An unsuccessful partnership with his winger where has was covering too much field and rarely playing in his wing man seemed to be the main problems

With someone like Colbon as a wing man and a good tackler at full back then he could be tried once again.

I would go with a back line of Robertson, Dixon, Sarginson, Clubb, Colbon, Dorn and Gower. My forwards would be Wheeldon, Lee, Bryant, Rodney, Grady and Bailey. Bench: Kaufusi, Fisher, Melling, Cook.

Cheers
Rammo

Hello Rammo,

Thanks for your thoughtful contribution. And I must say I like your team selection.

I hope you can pass your thoughts on the team to Tony Rea.

Cheers,

Jean

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:53 am  

Not read the whole thread but title sums up exactly why Superleague is such a farce and the sport is on its ass

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:46 pm  

Darthchris wrote:

Not read the whole thread but title sums up exactly why Superleague is such a farce and the sport is on its ass

You should read the whole thread. It could give you a new perspective on Super League, and on life in general.

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:01 pm  

Hi Wire,

Howell scored just eight Super League tries between 2010 and 2012, with a 5, 0 and 3 contribution. He looked a bit better for a brief period last season.

O'Callaghan has 14 Super League tries from 81 games. He must have the worst win percentage in the competition with 15 wins from 81 games.

By comparison Clubb has 46 tries from 145 first class games - which includes many games as a forward/interchange player - and Sarginson 11 from 28 games.

I would not select Randall because he has poor statistical performances in that has missed over 250 tackles since the start of the 2011 season - about 1 in 5 of all attempted tackles - creates relatively few tries, only a handful per season and none this year and hardly ever scores, plus has only made 27 metres a game so far this season. I do not see what he offers in attack - I do not expect a James Roby, but this is exceptionally poor.

My thinking on the team Jean is that, given their previous strike rates, you'd be expecting about 10 tries per Clubb and Sarginson per season and a similar number from Colbon whilst both Dixon and Robertson would weigh in with around a try every two games, so this could take us to around 55-60 tries. Dorn could be scoring another 15 or so and perhaps about 5 from Gower would see us getting about 80ish, or at least three tries per game from the backs.

Just one try from the forwards per game and a 75% kicking rate would see us with 22 points or more per game and give us a chance some of the time.

Some of the more dubious defenders would obviously leak tries at an alarming rate but I think this keeps most of the weaker defenders out of the squad.

Cheers
Rammo

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:26 am  

Rammo are you Phil Clarkes researcher!! its a pity the game isnt played in a calculator.

Are you responsible for the nobby meter he had last year and the sh*tty traffic lights we have to tolerate this year

Wire and Leeds made more handling errors than all other teams last year!! hmmm

Chads stats dont show up to well thats for sure.

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:07 pm  

Lots of good pts.

Lovell has potential. Seen some good things but some rookie errors.

Clubb was a storming Centre who never seemed to have any intention to pass to his winger which made him easier to defend against. I believe last time he had a run there O'C was his wing man and never got the ball from him, one of the reasons for his low try rate.

Chad is a workman like player who can play lots of positions but is not creative. He is fine to start at Hooker if his replacement is well... a frenchman! The difference last season when Rinaldi came on was huge. Anyway Chad is fine if you have a good defensive team around him and are looking to hold the other team... however we aren't that defensive team!

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:08 pm  

markrammond wrote:

Hi Wire,

Howell scored just eight Super League tries between 2010 and 2012, with a 5, 0 and 3 contribution. He looked a bit better for a brief period last season.

O'Callaghan has 14 Super League tries from 81 games. He must have the worst win percentage in the competition with 15 wins from 81 games.

By comparison Clubb has 46 tries from 145 first class games - which includes many games as a forward/interchange player - and Sarginson 11 from 28 games.

I would not select Randall because he has poor statistical performances in that has missed over 250 tackles since the start of the 2011 season - about 1 in 5 of all attempted tackles - creates relatively few tries, only a handful per season and none this year and hardly ever scores, plus has only made 27 metres a game so far this season. I do not see what he offers in attack - I do not expect a James Roby, but this is exceptionally poor.

My thinking on the team Jean is that, given their previous strike rates, you'd be expecting about 10 tries per Clubb and Sarginson per season and a similar number from Colbon whilst both Dixon and Robertson would weigh in with around a try every two games, so this could take us to around 55-60 tries. Dorn could be scoring another 15 or so and perhaps about 5 from Gower would see us getting about 80ish, or at least three tries per game from the backs.

Just one try from the forwards per game and a 75% kicking rate would see us with 22 points or more per game and give us a chance some of the time.

Some of the more dubious defenders would obviously leak tries at an alarming rate but I think this keeps most of the weaker defenders out of the squad.

Cheers
Rammo

Wow, Randall's stats are horrendous! How is he still in a job, let alone the first 13 ?

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 pm  

You've got to be kidding...Chad is has been our top tackler for many years and usually the (or one of) the most effective.

Think those stats wrong...since 2011, Chad has made 1,510 and missed 90 (a success rate of around 95%). Are you getting mixed up with marker tackles? He's made 256 of those over the last 3 years.

Jeez, we don't need anyone trying to make our team look any worse than they are!

Re: Broncos are just four points outside the top 8. : Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:28 pm  

Dan Stains woz God wrote:

You've got to be kidding...Chad is has been our top tackler for many years and usually the (or one of) the most effective.

Think those stats wrong...since 2011, Chad has made 1,510 and missed 90 (a success rate of around 95%). Are you getting mixed up with marker tackles? He's made 256 of those over the last 3 years.

Jeez, we don't need anyone trying to make our team look any worse than they are!

Whatever the stats say (and let's face it stats can be bent any way you want - just ask George Osborne!) but Chad's been dreadful for at least the last 3 seasons, a shadow of the player he used to be! You only had to see the impact made when Rinaldi would come off the bench last season to see how poor Chad is now, I couldn't see him getting a game at any other SL club. I'm not convinced that Tommy Lee's an adequate replacement either.