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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:21 pm  
The club, where do you think the tree in my back garden!!
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:24 pm  
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I will be amazed if there is a London club in Super League next season.


Even if there is, its unlikely that they'll avoid relegation next season.

Feel sorry for you guys. I love the away day to London, especially the stoop. But there comes a time when you need to look at this objectively, and it doesn't look good; both on and off the field.

No top level team can get 2-3k a game, it is not sustainable and I feel sorry for the owner who has put a lot of money into the club.
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:26 pm  
What about the best team in the league with 5K crowds
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:30 pm  
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Hudds to come after Leeds get to that too!!

I'm hearing there are investors interested. From someone at the top


If there are where on earth will they recruit players from now. Most teams will have completed recruitment of the good available players for next season. We cant persuade quality players to move south there are restrictions on overseas players we can recruit, the money in the NRL is now a big problem and any decent players that might come will surely head North before coming here.
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:31 pm  
Maybe we have players signed up but not announced. They've not said who is leaving, equally they have not said who is coming in

Just a thought
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:03 pm  
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Maybe we have players signed up but not announced. They've not said who is leaving, equally they have not said who is coming in

Just a thought


Just worries me that Rea may have signed them up! if that is true!
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:15 pm  
wire quin wrote:
Maybe we have players signed up but not announced. They've not said who is leaving, equally they have not said who is coming in

Just a thought



I think you're clutching at straws, my friend.

The only time Broncos have been competitive was when they had a team full of decent quality antipodeans (with the unique situation of both Edwards and Offiah wanting to live in London at the same time). Since the removal of the import exemption, it's been downhill all the way. Partly that's because many/most northern RL players seem to have what could possibly be termed "narrow horizons" when it comes to moving away from their mum's home cooking, but it's also about the fact that an RL player's wage goes an awful lot further in Bradford than in Brentford. Couple that with the problem which the whole league is now facing, which is that it is the lowest paying of all the pro rugby competitions, whether Union or League, and you have a perfect storm.

The first possible rescue here would be for the league to abandon the salary cap just at the same time as London find an Eamon McManus, Koukash or Richard Branson figure, who has bottomless pockets and a long-term commitment. It's not likely.

The second, which to be fair, London have been trying, is to develop your own players. Unfortunately, as even Saints - with all their advantages - have found, for every dozen players you develop through your academy, you'll be lucky if one becomes a genuine game-changer, as opposed to an identikit solid-but-unremarkable second-row. London have sadly run out of time for this solution.

However, I think the malaise goes deeper than just that. London did identify some decent players, and they did buy in some proven quality from Australia. But none of those players are playing remotely as well as they theoretically could. This has remained the case now from McDermott through Powell and now Rea, so I don't think it's necessarily about coaching. In fact I think it's really telling that Noble refused to take the job, even when he could have had it. Noble isn't a thick man, and he recognised that while London might - on paper - have better players than Salford, the fact was that Salford as a club have an energy and life about them which suggests that there is a future which players can be persuaded to strive for. London, on the other hand, is a walking corpse.

Rugby league is a hard game, and players have to do physically risky things which in other walks of life would be considered insane. For that, it helps a lot if there's a sense of purpose. That purpose can come from a decent-sized and passionate crowd, the fear of financial or status loss through replacement in the team, or a chance of success. IT can also come from the sense that there is a good future ahead, and the player is part of something going forward. None of those things are present at London, and haven't been for the best part of a decade now. It's all very well appealing to a player's professionalism, but the extra few percentages which win you games at the top level require more than just some innate journeyman professionalism. People need hope to throw themselves at the legs of a charging prop. They need to feel that there's a chance that sacrifice has purpose. This is the same whether the club is amateur or professional. Even the worst amateur club will find its training numbers increase and its on-field effort lift when there's a chance of some poxy shield in the losers' competition, while the strongest team will find it's short-staffed and often beaten by lesser opposition if the players perceive the game as being without meaning, or have a sense of a club winding down.

London has that sense in spades. The last games I attended at the Stoop felt like I was at a closing down sale in Blackpool in November. There was no sense that this was a place anybody actually wanted to be. There was no hope of a victory, and there was no clear indication that there would even be a future. Just lots of people, players and fans, going through the motions because they didn't really know what else to do.

I hope there's a big announcement in the next week. I hope one of those overcompensated rich lovers from the City remembers he was originally from Leeds or Wigan, used to enjoy a game of rugby league as a kid, and notices that he can make London the richest club in the UK with half of his annual bonus. I hope a new ground is announced, and a bunch of new players to give a sense of going forward, as opposed to decaying inertia.

However, I suspect we're still looking at the end of London Broncos in a couple of months' time.

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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:07 pm  
Would agree with most of Roy Haggerty's post, except the bit about "lots of people".....,
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:31 pm  
I think you're clutching at straws, my friend.


Did just a thought not give it away?
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Re: Is it dead yet ? : Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:42 pm  
Roy, The Academy system is starting to work at London, but the players are raw and as I said earlier, too many young London players are being bigged up by whoever is their agent or manager!

The St Helens system is not perfect, I agree we have signed some lumps from Australia but so have Saints, over the past few years! if the St Helens system was so good they would not have taken McCarthy-Scarisbrook from us, and reportedly interested in Clubb? or would need to loan a player off Warrington. The Academy system is producing far too many lightweights, but Clubs going into teams of all age groups have weakened the once strong youth leagues in the North, which supplied a lot of top players.

Rugby League currently are getting so much wrong, the changes they made to the youth system at clubs, dual registration and now Woods wants to pit the lower teams in a split league system, how are clubs still semi pro going to be able to play all of a sudden week in week out with Super League Clubs. Attendances at Challenge Cup games are in crisis! Huddersfield Giants who are doing so well and are are top of the league, struggling with attendances of 5,000 and we still can't attract major sponsors financially.

Yes we have got problems in London, which the RFL should have helped with, like they did with Bradford, but it's time also to look at the other serious problems in the game, which clubs seems to have their heads in the sand about! London is just a nicr diversion!
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