Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:39 pm  

meliferra wrote: I didnt have to trawl anything. Main website http://www.barnetfc.com click on tickets. Is that really so hard? Alternatively you could have asked rather than make assumptions on outdated information. This is the first year of the membership and the club adopted the same methodology as a season ticket on the membership with the early bird concept. Supporters like me contacted the club and explained why this wouldn't make financial sense. Basically after you had gone three games into the season then the full membership worked out dearer than paying on the door so they agreed to retain the original membership prices. Truth of this is almost nobody buys season tickets at full wack, if you are that late then most just pay on the door because there is little value to be had. You probably don't know (or care) about our history but basically we went from 500 avg attendance to reaching the 3rd tier (League 1) with 3-4000 avg attendances bankrolled by a wealthy chairman (Stan Flashman) who then pulled the plug without warning, we lost all our players and had to rebuild almost from scratch. TK has been slowly putting the infrastructure in place so we are self-sufficent and while this hasn't yet been converted to promotion most can see the benefits of what he has done and that we are no longer reliant on someone bailing us out. If we are successful this season then crowds will go up, if not they will go down. Id prefer the former but I'm realistic enough to know it may not be so. As an aside we have sold nearly 4000 tickets for our next home game so it's not all bad. I'd rather be optimistic and suggest that the 2 teams now playing at the Hive would look to support each other and so boost attendances for both parties but hey, what do I know. Cool story Bro. Here are some FACTS for you regarding your new best buddies. Your new tenants/ground sharers receive about £1.5 million a year from the SL TV deal and in 2012, spent a total of £2.7 MILLION on their first team squad and £524,000 on Coaches.....the Owner sunk £2.2 million in to cover their shortfall. 2013 figures are not available, but I assure you that they are just as ugly! Bottom line is that a team of 2nd rate players (we are shopping for cast offs and loaners) will finish dead set bottom in 2014, hardly inspiring either new or existing fans to pay £16 or more to witness weekly hammerings. TK will not see any benefit of future in having a championship club with 800 fans in 2015 and London Broncos will move on again. Basically, It costs a minimum of £4,000,000 to run a SL club. £2,500,000 of that needs to be generated by the club itself with the rest from SKY money. In 2012, the club raised £543,000. On your last point......we've shared/rented with Charlton, Harlequins, Charlton, Brentford and Harlequins over 18 seasons. When it comes to cross fan cultivation, I wouldn't be holding my breath

meliferra wrote: I didnt have to trawl anything. Main website http://www.barnetfc.com click on tickets. Is that really so hard? Alternatively you could have asked rather than make assumptions on outdated information. This is the first year of the membership and the club adopted the same methodology as a season ticket on the membership with the early bird concept. Supporters like me contacted the club and explained why this wouldn't make financial sense. Basically after you had gone three games into the season then the full membership worked out dearer than paying on the door so they agreed to retain the original membership prices. Truth of this is almost nobody buys season tickets at full wack, if you are that late then most just pay on the door because there is little value to be had. You probably don't know (or care) about our history but basically we went from 500 avg attendance to reaching the 3rd tier (League 1) with 3-4000 avg attendances bankrolled by a wealthy chairman (Stan Flashman) who then pulled the plug without warning, we lost all our players and had to rebuild almost from scratch. TK has been slowly putting the infrastructure in place so we are self-sufficent and while this hasn't yet been converted to promotion most can see the benefits of what he has done and that we are no longer reliant on someone bailing us out. If we are successful this season then crowds will go up, if not they will go down. Id prefer the former but I'm realistic enough to know it may not be so. As an aside we have sold nearly 4000 tickets for our next home game so it's not all bad. I'd rather be optimistic and suggest that the 2 teams now playing at the Hive would look to support each other and so boost attendances for both parties but hey, what do I know. Cool story Bro. Here are some FACTS for you regarding your new best buddies. Your new tenants/ground sharers receive about £1.5 million a year from the SL TV deal and in 2012, spent a total of £2.7 MILLION on their first team squad and £524,000 on Coaches.....the Owner sunk £2.2 million in to cover their shortfall. 2013 figures are not available, but I assure you that they are just as ugly! Bottom line is that a team of 2nd rate players (we are shopping for cast offs and loaners) will finish dead set bottom in 2014, hardly inspiring either new or existing fans to pay £16 or more to witness weekly hammerings. TK will not see any benefit of future in having a championship club with 800 fans in 2015 and London Broncos will move on again. Basically, It costs a minimum of £4,000,000 to run a SL club. £2,500,000 of that needs to be generated by the club itself with the rest from SKY money. In 2012, the club raised £543,000. On your last point......we've shared/rented with Charlton, Harlequins, Charlton, Brentford and Harlequins over 18 seasons. When it comes to cross fan cultivation, I wouldn't be holding my breath

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:44 pm  

meliferra wrote:

I'd rather be optimistic and suggest that the 2 teams now playing at the Hive would look to support each other and so boost attendances for both parties but hey, what do I know.

Genuine synergy is to be hoped for. A shared membership might work in that regard.

PS

Don't mind GF. He's a fully paid up member of The Stoop Hard-on Brigade.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:51 pm  

Cowgirl Nostalgist wrote:

Don't mind GF. He's a fully paid up member of The Stoop Hard-on Brigade.

Nope.....I just don't see the need to move away from the ground. Along with the name change, the move was pointless and will deliver little in the way of security in the long term for the club. I have no love of the Stoop, but we were in charge of our own destiny there.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:56 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I just don't see the need to move away from the ground.

Maybe not in 2006 but in 2013 the club has about as many fans as your average non-league football club.

The Hive is a state of the art facility in those terms.

We are where we are. Anything else is crying over spilt milk.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:58 pm  

Melif,
Don't do it mate, get out of the Gutterfax vortex now!! If you get dragged in to it getting out is gonna be a challenge.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:02 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Cool story Bro.
Here are some FACTS for you regarding your new best buddies.

Your new tenants/ground sharers receive about £1.5 million a year from the SL TV deal and in 2012, spent a total of £2.7 MILLION on their first team squad and £524,000 on Coaches.....the Owner sunk £2.2 million in to cover their shortfall.
2013 figures are not available, but I assure you that they are just as ugly!
Bottom line is that a team of 2nd rate players (we are shopping for cast offs and loaners) will finish dead set bottom in 2014, hardly inspiring either new or existing fans to pay £16 or more to witness weekly hammerings. TK will not see any benefit of future in having a championship club with 800 fans in 2015 and London Broncos will move on again.

Basically, It costs a minimum of £4,000,000 to run a SL club. £2,500,000 of that needs to be generated by the club itself with the rest from SKY money. In 2012, the club raised £543,000.


On your last point......we've shared/rented with Charlton, Harlequins, Charlton, Brentford and Harlequins over 18 seasons. When it comes to cross fan cultivation, I wouldn't be holding my breath

How did they spend £2.7 million on the first team squad,how does that break down?

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:11 pm  

j.c wrote:

How did they spend £2.7 million on the first team squad,how does that break down?

I'd think that given it's a LIVE cap checking system, then £1,650,000 + 10% = £1,815,000 for the top 25 players and then £860k on the other fringe players?
The figures I have seen are not broken down, so I can't be sure, but it could be that the "heading" 1st Team includes everything (hotels/transport etc???)
I know that these figures are accurate and have been seen by the RFL so I doubt there's any skulduggery going on.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:20 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I'd think that given it's a LIVE cap checking system, then £1,650,000 + 10% = £1,815,000 for the top 25 players and then £860k on the other fringe players?
The figures I have seen are not broken down, so I can't be sure, but it could be that the "heading" 1st Team includes everything (hotels/transport etc???)
I know that these figures are accurate and have been seen by the RFL so I doubt there's any skulduggery going on.

Its frightening what it costs.
if theres ever an argument for massive investment in devoloping your own players then this is it

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:29 pm  

j.c wrote:

Its frightening what it costs.
if theres ever an argument for massive investment in devoloping your own players then this is it

Of the £4,400,000 needed to run the club in 2012, only £543,000 (12.5%) was generated by the club. The figure was 13% in 2011, 13.5% in 2010, 16.5% in 2009 and 20% in 2008.

Re: Pricing for 2014. : Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:57 pm  

Based on the matches against the other 13 SL teams over the last 18 seasons, the average attendance for a season is 3,591.
Anything less than this in 2014 and I suspect that TK won't be interested in anything other than keeping us as tenants and David Hughes continuing bankrolling the club. 46,681 fans over 13 games. The last time we achieved that as the London Broncos we were a play off team in 2005.
I suspect that in 2014 we will not be a play off team, so somebody, somewhere is going to need to pull a rabbit out of a hat!

AVERAGE ATTENDANCES:
Bradford 4,550
Castleford 3,294
Catalans 2,469
Hudds 3,207
Hull FC 3,534
Hull KR 3,063
Leeds 4,288
Saints 4,714
Salford 2,618
Wakey 2,827
Wire 3,731
Widnes 3,235
Wigan 5,151