Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:48 pm  

The likelihood of a chump side doing it straight rather than through the 'million pence' game are slim. The guarantee is a chump side away from home at a SL side in that game. Hardly stacked in their favour. It'll be an interesting season.

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:10 pm  

Southern Reiver wrote:

The likelihood of a chump side doing it straight rather than through the 'million pence' game are slim. The guarantee is a chump side away from home at a SL side in that game. Hardly stacked in their favour. It'll be an interesting season.

The thing is completely loaded. "Every Minute Matters" - I don't think so

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:36 pm  

Andover Boy wrote:

The thing is completely loaded. "Every Minute Matters" - I don't think so

I think the games featuring the teams finishing 9th and 10th in SL playing 3rd and 4th in the Championship could be painful to watch....the SL sides will be wary of not getting dragged into the one off lottery game, so points difference will be important.....we will see some major hammerings.
Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Widnes averaged 50 points a game against us last year......the gap is massive between the 2 competitions.

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:17 pm  

Yep, I can see some hammerings too, but I think a League with a miniscule outside chance of promotion is prefferable to a Franchise system that was frankly "Sheeite"!

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:47 pm  

Correct Pete.

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:40 pm  

CrusaderPete wrote:

Yep, I can see some hammerings too, but I think a League with a miniscule outside chance of promotion is prefferable to a Franchise system that was frankly "Sheeite"!

Franchising failed for a number of reasons, most of them of the RFL's own making. All they did was grant licences and then not follow up when clubs failed in their delivery of promises......new stadiums in Wakey/Cas.....new fans and corporate common sense in London, financially viable business plans in Wales, Bradford and Wakefield......but nope, they simply sat back and let it unravel.
Franchising works in other sports......this 888 has been trialed and has failed already. The only way a champ team goes up is if a SL club goes tits up......kind of like how it was for the last 6 seasons really. Once the chairmen at the clubs who finish in positions 13-24 in this structure figure out that SL isn't attainable, they will lobby for yet another change and we'll have 1 up 1 down. It'll be like 2008 all over again........and clubs will go bust trying to stay up or trying to get up.

Do you believe that Fev getting hammered 90-nil at home by Salford in front of 1,500 fans is going to be "entertaining"? Do you think Fev v Castleford will make the british media sit up and pay heed?

Licencing needed 10 years or more to bed down and the likes of Bradford should have simply been cut loose......other sports let their so called big clubs fail, so why should we be different?

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:16 am  

Mmmmm, I can't agree GF, Superleague and franchising was all very well, but littleraly stamping all over the grass roots of the game was a recipe for disaster from the get go, look at Keighley's average attendance when they last won the 2nd tier. Then take a good look at the 2nd tier champions average attendances thereafter. The RFL are clearly hoping that the attendances for clubs going for the middle eight will rise back up to a more acceptable level with the potential for promotion as the carrot.

I don't believe anyone getting 90-Nilled is good for the game, lets face it, we at London took some pastings and in front of less than 1500 and we were IN your SOOPERleague.

Cut Bradford looose you say, lol, but weren't they what SOOPERLeague and Franchising was all about??

As to other sports, well yes they do, WHEN they have a viable replacement, the NFL didn't get rid of the failing LA Rams, UNTIL they had a replacement, same with the Raiders. In English Football, the Premier League can afford for "big" clubs to go down and even out, because theres a plethora of big clubs waiting to replace them. WE DO NOT HAVE THAT! Until we do, we cannot allow the biggest clubs to just sink without trace!

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:11 am  

Licencing/Franchising works....but it needs strong management and we are discussing the RFL here, so it was doomed from the start.
There is always an opportunity for clubs outside the franchised super league to join, but rather than do the hard yards, roll up their sleeves and get their houses in good financial order, these clubs would rather lobby the RFL for a change in the rules in the pursuit of 1.5 million a year from SKY. These clubs are under the misguided belief that this money will make them powerhouses....conveniently ignoring the fact that they will still have to find another 2.5 million a year just to break even. Can you name a Championship club that has a turn over of 2.5 million a year?

Take us.....if by a miracle we made it up. I'd hazard a guess at the total income from sponsorship at the Broncos this year is less than 50,000.....and than includes the corporate and private players sponsorship as well as the shirt "partnership" deals.......and IF when they deem to let you know Tickets are a score each, then even at last years totals you've only raised 325k....still 2 million short and apparently we moved because Hughes didn't want to make up the 2 million shortfall each year.....we'd be relying on him to survive and probably straight back down again the following year

The RFL have retreated to the safety of the heartlands and the game will get less media exposure this year than ever before. Fev v Salford in front of 1,500 will prove that "every moment" doesn't matter......but don't expect the RFL spin machine to keep on saying it will.
In 11 home games at the Hive before either 3 or 4 more 888 matches, I suspect we will see less than 10,000 people come through the turnstiles......then we might get a few more to the 888 games, but only if we stand a chance of going up. Given we shipped 50 points a game v SL opposition last year, I really don't have your blind faith in this new system attracting any lapsed fans back or news fans either.
As for the teams in the bottom 8.......I believe that this is where we will see the most competitive matches.

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:34 pm  

Any danger of keeping this thread on topic and not heading down the marketing and income line again?

Re: Predictions for the Middle 8 : Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:30 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

Any danger of keeping this thread on topic and not heading down the marketing and income line again?

Sorry