Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:55 pm  

Maybe he's a tribute act?

Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 07, 2015 5:49 pm  

Rob from Erith wrote:

Agreed, overly harsh criticism.

He looked likeness going to burst into tears at every press conference and as for his legacy......we're not going to make the middle 8 with one of only 3 full time squads.....maybe I was being overly harsh to cabbages.

Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 07, 2015 6:58 pm  

Thought it a all DH fault not joey grimas make yr mind up

Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:54 pm  

[quote="Jim Pooley"]You could have replaced Grima with a cabbage and it would have been improvement.

Drone

Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 07, 2015 8:55 pm  

[quote="Jim Pooley"]He looked likeness going to burst into tears at every press conference and as for his legacy....DRONE

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:26 am  

Jim Pooley wrote:

You could have replaced Grima with a cabbage and it would have been improvement.

Utter tosh. Joe Grima did one thing that was very important, he re-engaged with the fans. He also got the players to re-engage with the fans.
After years of being marginalised that was something that needed to happen. The club lost it's way when the paying public started to feel like they were a bit of a nuisance.

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:25 pm  

Perry wrote:

Utter tosh. Joe Grima did one thing that was very important, he re-engaged with the fans. He also got the players to re-engage with the fans.
After years of being marginalised that was something that needed to happen. The club lost it's way when the paying public started to feel like they were a bit of a nuisance.

Utter Tosh?
Joe Grima didn't re-engage the fans because he thought it was the right thing to do. He re-engaged the fans because he was utterly and totally out of his depth. This "I'm a man of the people" façade went on for 12 months+ and cost us a realistic chance of a shot at the million pound game, as well as Hughes a considerable amount of cash. He surrounded himself with friends, became "mates' with the fans whilst scrambling around like a lost lamb and royally buggered 2015 as a season!

BTW, I am not disagreeing about the destruction of the relationship we fans had up to about 2007/08 with the club, but that being destroyed coincided with the employment of non RL background CEO's, the departure of Lenegan and the sole tenure of "you know who" as the clubs owner.

It is far easier to engage with the few fans we have left now.....I'm pretty sure DH will be on first name terms with every ST holder at the club and that's pretty unique in professional sports

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:57 pm  

Jim Pooley wrote:

Utter Tosh?
Joe Grima didn't re-engage the fans because he thought it was the right thing to do. He re-engaged the fans because he was utterly and totally out of his depth.

Yes, utter tosh. I've no idea whether he would have been a good or a bad coach, because he wasn't in the job long enough. But whether good or bad I doubt that had anything to do with his engagement with the fans. Other coaches have been out of their depth and chose to hide away, he didn't. The change in the attitude of the players toward the fans is plain for all to see, and started with him. I choose to thank him for that as it is important.

Jim Pooley wrote:

This "I'm a man of the people" façade went on for 12 months+ and cost us a realistic chance of a shot at the million pound game, as well as Hughes a considerable amount of cash. He surrounded himself with friends, became "mates' with the fans whilst scrambling around like a lost lamb and royally buggered 2015 as a season!

Given where we were at the start of the season, the million pound game was always a long shot. Some people think that a full time squad guarantees success in this division, it doesn't and a few players got a shock when they found out how physical part time packs can be.

Jim Pooley wrote:

BTW, I am not disagreeing about the destruction of the relationship we fans had up to about 2007/08 with the club, but that being destroyed coincided with the employment of non RL background CEO's, the departure of Lenegan and the sole tenure of "you know who" as the clubs owner.

And "you know who" isn't the man who stopped the rot on that front, Grima is.

Jim Pooley wrote:

It is far easier to engage with the few fans we have left now.....I'm pretty sure DH will be on first name terms with every ST holder at the club and that's pretty unique in professional sports

Given how seldom he is in the bar I doubt that very much.

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:47 pm  

Perry wrote:

Yes, utter tosh. I've no idea whether he would have been a good or a bad coach, because he wasn't in the job long enough. But whether good or bad I doubt that had anything to do with his engagement with the fans. Other coaches have been out of their depth and chose to hide away, he didn't. The change in the attitude of the players toward the fans is plain for all to see, and started with him. I choose to thank him for that as it is important.

Let's just agree to disagree on how and why this re-engagement happened.

Perry wrote:

YesGiven where we were at the start of the season, the million pound game was always a long shot. Some people think that a full time squad guarantees success in this division, it doesn't and a few players got a shock when they found out how physical part time packs can be.

I was guilty of saying we'd only play 4 toigh games this year before the 8's and I was wrong....happy to admit it. Problem is, the players AND THE COACH have no excuses for it.....he was out of his depth.

Perry wrote:

YesAnd "you know who" isn't the man who stopped the rot on that front, Grima is.

I'd actually put it down to Steve Devonshire myself.....the level of 2-way dialogue since he's been back is the best since the 2007 season.

Perry wrote:

Yes Given how seldom he is in the bar I doubt that very much.

Come on. There's only a handful of you

You've probably heard it already, but the story of how the final disengagement between players and fans happened was when Powell asked Mackay if the players could be excused going into the bar after games and after asking Hughes, permission was given.
Hughes employed MacKay and Powell.........the prosecution rests M'lud!

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:55 pm  

Jim, of course the one game you came to last year makes you perfectly placed to judge how the fans who actually go to games view the match day experience and clubs engagement with the fans.