Re: Batley : Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:52 pm  

Halfdan, I missed the game as was up at Salford doing some games up there so cant comment. Whatever the circumstances it is the defenders responsibility to avoid contact with the head. Sometimes the "instinctive" arm out and grab at the head can be the worst ones, its all down to the judgement of the ref at the time and how he and the TJ's see the incident, did the ref blow straight away? did the TJ come on? As you say it is all about judgement there is nothing to say it should be a red, but if its seen to be reckless and intenional or dangerous then the ref has the option to dismiss.
A slight swerve and reaction falling backwards bringing the arm up sounds a bit dubious to me. Obviously the ref on the day did not deem it to be serious enough to send him off

Re: Batley : Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:14 pm  

Cheers, hope you enjoyed the forces game.

Yes Jamie blew straight away. Waited for treatment and consulted both touchies at length. Whether right or wrong this was a considered opinion not a panic reaction. The touchie by the West Stand was in the perfect position to call the swerve and tumble.

I think reckless or intentional are out due to the attempt to correct from the stumble however it was definitely dangerous. If that is sufficient for red then I'm not sure how it became a sin binning tbh.

Re: Batley : Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:33 pm  

What hasn't been mentioned is that Barthau was clean in for a try if he hadn't had his head taken off. No other defender could have got to him. From the stand it did look suspiciously like the prevention of a try through deliberate foul play.

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:03 am  

You never seem to see officials giving penalty tries these days, why? are they afraid to make a tough decision without the video ref?

[brian2]

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:45 am  

One of the downsides of video refs, the actual ref cops out and puts it on report rather than make a decision

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:46 pm  

jaybs wrote:

You never seem to see officials giving penalty tries these days, why? are they afraid to make a tough decision without the video ref?

Those that are given only seem to be for fouls which take place on or over the try line. Barthau had no one else to beat, but the fact he was still 20 metres out counted against him.

Fwiw it appeared a clear red card even if one gives the full back the benefit of the doubt that it was merely careless or reckless.

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:53 pm  

brian2 wrote:

One of the downsides of video refs, the actual ref cops out and puts it on report rather than make a decision

Unfortunately it is an area where the refs can never win. I can remember in the early super league days we had a prop called Gavin Allen, who was sent off two weeks on the trot. Both times he went to the judiciary. Both time he was found not guilty. That did not really help though as we had to play parts of two games with only 12 on the pitch.

[brian2]

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:31 pm  

Yes its six of one half a dozen of............... Overall video ref is probably best, but then its the team which plays the following week which gains from any suspension

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:41 pm  

brian2 wrote:

Yes its six of one half a dozen of............... Overall video ref is probably best, but then its the team which plays the following week which gains from any suspension

Same for most judicial systems: commit a murder, face trial, found guilty, locked away for a few years. Probably protects the rest of us but no help at all to the initial victim.

Re: Batley : Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:48 pm  

To award a penalty try the ref has to be fully convinced that the offence denied a certain try! Judging that is very interesting, was the world cup in Australia def a penalty try? that could be debated to the Nth degree.
Looking at some of the video replays on sky there is probably good evidence for more 8 point tries!!
20 mtrs out, you could not give a penalty try for.