Re: Hornets : Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:27 pm  

linebacker53 wrote:

I truth we have lacked some shape and composure in games however its hard to ignore we are now missing two starting hookers and and two starting props, I feel with these available we can still beat anyone. Fair to say replacement props have been underwhelming

Sammutt / Pitts underwhelming - really ?

Purtell yes, Roqica yes, Dixon yes, Gee / Evans not too sure yet, Spencer .... did a Stapleton

As for Grant and Channing ....

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:58 am  

PC Plum wrote:

Sammutt / Pitts underwhelming - really ?

Purtell yes, Roqica yes, Dixon yes, Gee / Evans not too sure yet, Spencer .... did a Stapleton

As for Grant and Channing ....

Not sure you read my post correctly...I said replacement Props!!! Spencer arrived fully fit Stapleton didnt ! We got out muscled in the middle by Toronto and have been in every game since Hull KR. That said we have enough pace and skill in back 3 to trouble anyone...just need to get the ball to them more!

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:45 am  

linebacker53 wrote:

Not sure you read my post correctly...I said replacement Props!!! Spencer arrived fully fit Stapleton didnt ! We got out muscled in the middle by Toronto and have been in every game since Hull KR. That said we have enough pace and skill in back 3 to trouble anyone...just need to get the ball to them more!

Unlikely to happen. Sammut is only really interested in doing something unpredictable and Barthau is a bit meh. Pewhairangi, if played at SO, is a lovely runner but too similar to Sammut. There's no-one in the halves capable (or interested) in playing a sustainable, , disciplined, organising role. Rhys Williams was already showing signs of frustration v Toronto. You can have the best wingers in the world but if they don't get enough ball, and good quality at that, then it's pointless.

And, yes, the forwards are being pushed around a little too easily. Roqica doesn't run his size, nor does Evans (who's probably more of a 2nd row tbh). Ioane does, so too Battye and Spencer when fit, but other than that there are a lot of mid-sized second rowers in that squad.

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:01 pm  

Sammut maybe only interested in doing something unpredictable but on Fri he scored over 50% of our points on the night including 2 tries. Barthau also scored I believe so Meh! cannot be too bad can it?

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:21 pm  

The wingers are being systematically ignored and maybe irretrievably alienated unless the plays ( assuming we have any) are changed to build on known strengths.
The ball invariably goes right, until it gets to Purtell. Rhys is not a happy bunny.

Maybe harsh but is Daniel a captain?

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:23 pm  

mickyb1234 wrote:

Sammut maybe only interested in doing something unpredictable but on Fri he scored over 50% of our points on the night including 2 tries. Barthau also scored I believe so Meh! cannot be too bad can it?

What was the final score?

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:04 pm  

The attacking structure - and the ball getting into Hellewell's and Williams's hands - would improve if Kear went back at 1. Alternatively, maybe Sammut would fit better at full-back allowing Barthau to handle the left-hand side like last year.

Re: Hornets : Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:31 pm  

Naderia do you need reminding? Ok let's take sammut and barthau out of that equation on the score last Fri between em they scored 18 points! So if you want to use that argument without the 2 players mentioned the score would have been 8-30 not 26-30
As for the wingers! How many tries have we bombed on the wing in the last few games through the last pass being dropped, it's got to have an effect on centres wanting to put that last pass out.

Re: Hornets : Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:48 am  

Colly2 wrote:

The attacking structure - and the ball getting into Hellewell's and Williams's hands - would improve if Kear went back at 1. Alternatively, maybe Sammut would fit better at full-back allowing Barthau to handle the left-hand side like last year.

Did Kear not play FB on Friday??

Re: Hornets : Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:09 am  

Colly2 wrote:

The attacking structure - and the ball getting into Hellewell's and Williams's hands - would improve if Kear went back at 1. Alternatively, maybe Sammut would fit better at full-back allowing Barthau to handle the left-hand side like last year.

Kear, Williams, Dixon are our best back 3 Our halfs are choosing to pass to the lead (easier option) when a pass out the back would release Kear and wingers. It worked last two seasons and against Hull KR. That said if we are loosing the arm wrestle in the middle its very hard to create width off slow/passive rucks.
We will be a different team with Spencer Battye, Ackers and Cunnigham back.