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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:18 am  
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. Last year v Wigan we donated loads of tickets to the youth of the London RL community and I haven't seen many of them coming back with mum and dad. :roll:

Just on that point - season tickets were promised to junior players but at the club where my sons play they did not materialise because one of the community coaches (now moved on) didn't get his act together to make it happen. Whilst it made no difference to us because we had had tickets anyway it did discourage some of the parents/kids from attending.
There is a lesson for the club about attention to detail there - not always easy given the lack of resources.
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:18 am  
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Its a 2 way street, its the brand proposition from the club and the those benefits for a sponsor.

Clubs position themselves in many ways, and finding like minded sponsors is the Holy Grail.

The problem for Quins is that they have no brand proposition. Other than being a televised support, there is no wider sporting attraction to RL in London which is the extended market. What is the demographic of the support? Are you all upper class, degree educated, public School, Telegraph readers or Lower/Middle class, state educated Sun readers?

The sponsor will look at the immediate people they will attract, the fans. But if the club has no 'distinct' fan base identified, then the sponsor will wonder who infact they are targetting.

E.g. Conde Naste Traveller magazine, Veuve Clicquot Champagne and Sunseeker yachts will never sponsor Hull FC - simply because there isnt a single person in the fan base who will use or buy those products.
Those same companies are more likely to be found at Cowes sailing week and Guards Polo club.

The Holy Grail now is - who would you consider to be the ideal sponsor for Quins RL?

The 2 way street occurs when the club tries to sell themselves. Hull FC could sell themselves to Veuve Clicquot Champagne, but if they arent interested in the fan base - then they wont buy. Simply because Hull FC might have a blank shirt, doesnt mean the companies will bite!
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was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:28 am  
ExiledFromHull wrote:
OK

Im willing to do it!

But here's a very very cold and hard fact.
A hospitality experience where only enough people come in to fill 1 stand isnt very sellable!

Fact!

True....but as I said, if it was easy, we wouldn't need people to sell it, just to take orders over the phone.
Harlequins Rugby are Gold members of the Richmond Chamber of commerce and are hosting an event this year.......why not offer 1 box to every game to members on a first come first served basis?

The main point that I keep on trying to make and maybe I am not making it clear enough is that there is a massive difference between commercial activity and community activity.
You are a marketing professional, so will receive calls every day from people selling you everything from email delivery, banner/on-line ads, print ads and data through to exhibition space. You know that there are 1,000's of routes to market and it is those people who know how to sell that are the ones you listen to. We have nobody at the club who knows how to sell. I am not having a pop at any individual at the club, it's not their fault they were employed to do something that they aren't qualified to do, but what I am saying is the club will continue to tread water and spend Mr Hughes's money to survive if they don't address this issue now.
The RFL spent £12,500 (appx) on Manly and we got 4,000 additional bodies through the door.......what more proof is needed that when done by the experts (RFL employees) it reaps rewards!

I could go on about the statistics on crowd figures since we moved back to TW2, but this thread was originally about the Sponsor and I have accepted that the new deal is good for the community development....let's leave it at that.
ExiledFromHull wrote:
OK

Im willing to do it!

But here's a very very cold and hard fact.
A hospitality experience where only enough people come in to fill 1 stand isnt very sellable!

Fact!

True....but as I said, if it was easy, we wouldn't need people to sell it, just to take orders over the phone.
Harlequins Rugby are Gold members of the Richmond Chamber of commerce and are hosting an event this year.......why not offer 1 box to every game to members on a first come first served basis?

The main point that I keep on trying to make and maybe I am not making it clear enough is that there is a massive difference between commercial activity and community activity.
You are a marketing professional, so will receive calls every day from people selling you everything from email delivery, banner/on-line ads, print ads and data through to exhibition space. You know that there are 1,000's of routes to market and it is those people who know how to sell that are the ones you listen to. We have nobody at the club who knows how to sell. I am not having a pop at any individual at the club, it's not their fault they were employed to do something that they aren't qualified to do, but what I am saying is the club will continue to tread water and spend Mr Hughes's money to survive if they don't address this issue now.
The RFL spent £12,500 (appx) on Manly and we got 4,000 additional bodies through the door.......what more proof is needed that when done by the experts (RFL employees) it reaps rewards!

I could go on about the statistics on crowd figures since we moved back to TW2, but this thread was originally about the Sponsor and I have accepted that the new deal is good for the community development....let's leave it at that.
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:31 am  
GUTTER

What are you trying to sell then?
A half empty Stadium?
An unsuccesful team?

And your route to market is exactly what im saying - what is the Quins RL market? Who is the market and where do they live?

what exactly can the club sell, to who and where?
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:32 am  
Its like we are a village Sunday league side or something...

Haven't you been on here before saying you've never actually been to a Home match?
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:34 am  
no - ive been to many games!
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:35 am  
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no - ive been to many games!


Must be thinking of somebody else then.

But yes, we're still the equivalent of a Sunday league side then. Even they can usually get the local pub interested.
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:37 am  
1st one this season!
(sorry, been to the Stoop many times - just not this season!)
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: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:45 am  
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