Re: London Broncos RIP : Sat Oct 26, 2013 4:54 am  

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

Re: London Broncos RIP : Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:40 am  

wire quin wrote:

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

Of course that will always happen, but I think having property/land gives a more firm footing/security, and you are more in control as a club, very likely you will remain in that area/community.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:41 am  

wire quin wrote:

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

Saracens do, it is called the Allianz stadium.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:07 am  

wire quin wrote:

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

As far as I know, the only NRL club that owns its own ground is Cronulla.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:09 am  

wire quin wrote:

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

Regardless of other sports in British RL when a club is going downhill, it sells its ground. In 95% of cases, this seems to accelerate events and the club generally gets turfed out of one ground after another being unable to pay the rent. Each move is heralded as a chance to begin again and attract new fans but it never works like that.

Clubs need their own stadiums or a share in a stadium to be stable.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:52 am  

wire quin wrote:

There are top RL teams in Aus who attract massive crowds that have had and continue to have success with no ground-Explain that.

Do Saracens and London Irish have grounds?

London Irish are in a HUGE amount of debt and Saracens do own their own ground.

Australian RL clubs have different income streams to UK clubs. They have the League clubs and most stadiums are part of the community and are assisted financially by the regional govts. That does NOT happen in the UK and if you don't have control of your income from stadia you are in big trouble very quickly. Ok you don't need to own it, but if you don't you need to have a very good deal, or a big supporter base.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:23 pm  

jaybs wrote:

For some reason the sport does not seem to work big outside of that M62 corridor, however development area sides seem to try, that is why if the Broncos went down to The Championship, unless there is big money will they ever develop. London Skolars have been semi professional now 10 years and so much hard work goes in, but how far have they developed as far as attendances go?

I agree clubs should have their own grounds, that is their roots then and you build from that base, I just wish Wigan had their own stadium still.

Why not merge Skolars and the remnants of Broncos ... stay in the Champioship and work it from there.
If only 20% of Broncos supported this move then Skolars crowds would improve by approx 450 which would in theory double the present fan base.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:37 pm  

Latchford Locks wrote:

Why not merge Skolars and the remnants of Broncos ... stay in the Champioship and work it from there.
If only 20% of Broncos supported this move then Skolars crowds would improve by approx 450 which would in theory double the present fan base.

450?

When you look at Broncos crowd figures bear in mind:-

1) a fair number are away fans
2) that's how many are attracted to a SL match - it will fall for a Championship club
3) a lot of those fans will go and watch Skolars as well

Even so if (and it is still IF) Broncos do fold then there will be nothing to merge.

No players, no ground, no assets, no management that anyone would want and the fans aren't owned by the club - they do what they want.

I still think Broncos will continue in some form though I can't see how it will be as a SL side.

Re: London Broncos RIP : Mon Oct 28, 2013 3:08 pm  

Hedgehog King wrote:

450?

When you look at Broncos crowd figures bear in mind:-

1) a fair number are away fans
2) that's how many are attracted to a SL match - it will fall for a Championship club
3) a lot of those fans will go and watch Skolars as well

Even so if (and it is still IF) Broncos do fold then there will be nothing to merge.

No players, no ground, no assets, no management that anyone would want and the fans aren't owned by the club - they do what they want.

I still think Broncos will continue in some form though I can't see how it will be as a SL side.

Fair assesment,
but...
1) Can't argue with that point
2) I think that the hard core Bronco fans are rugby supporters not just SL fans,but I have allowed 80% drop out rate into my calculation.
3) Never having been to Skolars ground I can't really comment.

I have a terrible feeling they may just"vanish" as teams in the past i.e. Mansfield,Scarborough,Chorley,Nottingham and so on......

Re: London Broncos RIP : Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:26 pm  

Latchford Locks wrote:

Why not merge Skolars and the remnants of Broncos ... stay in the Champioship and work it from there.

Why even think about this, when we still no negotiations have to be confirmed?