Re: What can we do? : Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:11 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

Complete drivel. How many other club sports can sell 75000 tickets for 2 club games a year in this country? RL will be just fine. It may not be as big as soccer or rah rah but it's still significant with or without the London Broncos.

Really, lets agree to disagree then, it will only be significant up north.

Re: What can we do? : Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:55 pm  

Honkytonk wrote:

Really, lets agree to disagree then, it will only be significant up north.

And in Australia, and in NZ, and in PNG, and in S.France. The game isn't dying, won't die, never has been dying. The section of RL 'fans' that peddle this rubbish are just plain wrong. So no I won't agree to disagree.

Re: What can we do? : Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:23 pm  

Tre Cool wrote:

And in Australia, and in NZ, and in PNG, and in S.France. The game isn't dying, won't die, never has been dying. The section of RL 'fans' that peddle this rubbish are just plain wrong. So no I won't agree to disagree.

I fear for the sport as a 100% professional one in the UK if the current administration continue down their path of the last few years of trying to please everyone. Regardless of London Broncos being there or not, the game is not sustainable in its current format and letting 4 crap pro teams play 4 semi-pro teams isn't going to change a lot.
The only thing wrong with licencing was the independent evaluation of the clubs business plans and that SKY didn't demand 10 years on the Licences.....we were in year 4 and the "new dawn" was already being researched

The 12/12 = 8/8/8 scenario will be given the same short term attention by the RFL and once a couple of larger clubs whine, they will change it again.....

This year, London, Salford, Widnes and Castleford would have dropped down to play Sheffield, Fev, Fax and Leigh. London have accounted for 2 of those teams already this year....the top 2 at that and without a shadow of a doubt, London are the weakest SL team this year.

The theory is that the games will be more "meaningful" and fans will attend in greater numbers....15% drop in Challenge Cup attendances and 13% in those at Play-offs point to wow that will end..

As I've said elsewhere....when the best 17 English players currently playing in England ran out against the best 17 foreigners in SL, nobody bothered attending. They got a crowd 2,500 LESS than the Chairman at HKA says he needs as an average for his club to break even.

I would love to see RL flourish in the UK and don't like being bundled into a naysayer group, but in reality, under the current administration, I can't see the game going in any direction other than backwards.

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:42 am  

Honkytonk wrote:

Really, lets agree to disagree then, it will only be significant up north.

As Gutterfax states, which I agree with, I fear for the game in the North under the current administration, the guy at the top only tends to raise his head, when things are going bad, then often what he says ends up proving not to be correct, such as tickets are selling fast! for major games. The game can't survive on Sky money alone, and I don't think they will ever offer the same amount again. The appointment of the new chairman in Brian Berwick, never enthused me, and listening to what he had to say in the radio interview the other day, he is simply a figure head to pat Nigel on the head, and not good at that.

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:47 am  

gutterfax wrote:

I fear for the sport as a 100% professional one in the UK if the current administration continue down their path of the last few years of trying to please everyone. Regardless of London Broncos being there or not, the game is not sustainable in its current format and letting 4 crap pro teams play 4 semi-pro teams isn't going to change a lot.
The only thing wrong with licencing was the independent evaluation of the clubs business plans and that SKY didn't demand 10 years on the Licences.....we were in year 4 and the "new dawn" was already being researched

The 12/12 = 8/8/8 scenario will be given the same short term attention by the RFL and once a couple of larger clubs whine, they will change it again.....

This year, London, Salford, Widnes and Castleford would have dropped down to play Sheffield, Fev, Fax and Leigh. London have accounted for 2 of those teams already this year....the top 2 at that and without a shadow of a doubt, London are the weakest SL team this year.

The theory is that the games will be more "meaningful" and fans will attend in greater numbers....15% drop in Challenge Cup attendances and 13% in those at Play-offs point to wow that will end..

As I've said elsewhere....when the best 17 English players currently playing in England ran out against the best 17 foreigners in SL, nobody bothered attending. They got a crowd 2,500 LESS than the Chairman at HKA says he needs as an average for his club to break even.

I would love to see RL flourish in the UK and don't like being bundled into a naysayer group, but in reality, under the current administration, I can't see the game going in any direction other than backwards.

Why pick out the Exiles game? Its a challenge game in early stages of development and the principle point of it is to provide a competitive match for the England side mid-season. RL is drawing the biggest attendances and generating the biggest turnover of it's modern history. One slight downturn of a year and we're all doomed. It's rubbish. Get a grip.

75k at Wembley, 75k at OT x 2, 35k at CoM, average attendance of around 8k in SL. Hardly a sport on the brink of collapse into amateurism.

London Broncos going bust again is almost completely irrelevant.

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:11 am  

jaybs wrote:

Not eaten again! how many tickets do you think the RFL have sold for this Saturday then? is that why they are pushing to every media that will take it, tickets available on the day at the turnstiles?

Cash turnstiles at the CC Final used to be quite common at the old Wembley Stadium.

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:55 am  

jaybs wrote:

Not eaten again! how many tickets do you think the RFL have sold for this Saturday then? is that why they are pushing to every media that will take it, tickets available on the day at the turnstiles?

Wembley has a capacity of 90k, I would imagine around 70k tickets have already been sold. Is that not good enough? Or is it another sign that RL's about to self destruct and become a less popular spectator sport than lawn bowls?

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:17 am  

Tre Cool wrote:

Wembley has a capacity of 90k, I would imagine around 70k tickets have already been sold. Is that not good enough?

Yes your quite correct with the Wembleycapacity, whatever the final attendance, let's not forget that it will include, 17,500 debenture seats, which were sold for a 10 year period, which runs out in 2017.

So if you claim then 70K tickets have been sold, does that mean the final attendance will be around 87,500 then?

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:41 am  

jaybs wrote:

Yes your quite correct with the Wembleycapacity, whatever the final attendance, let's not forget that it will include, 17,500 debenture seats, which were sold for a 10 year period, which runs out in 2017.

So if you claim then 70K tickets have been sold, does that mean the final attendance will be around 87,500 then?

Wigan and Hull will have sold 30k tickets each easy, 10k to neutrals. Im sure 70k will have been sold. I have no idea how the club Wembley seats work or how they're reported on the match day attendance.

Re: What can we do? : Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:47 am  

Tre Cool wrote:

Wigan and Hull will have sold 30k tickets each easy, 10k to neutrals. Im sure 70k will have been sold. I have no idea how the club Wembley seats work or how they're reported on the match day attendance.

They have been sold, so they have to be counted that way, owners are allowed to use their seats at any event the stadium holds. It has always been a bone of contention that they should need to give notice if they are not being used, allowing Wembley to re-sell them for the owners for that one event, that would avoid the number of empty seats right in view of the camera. Not sure about your 10K to neutrals? at one time when I was younger, pubs and clubs in every town ran coach trips, often for the weekend, that does not happen any longer in the same numbers.