Re: 9,975...... : Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:52 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

I don't care about a reply you may or may not get. I want to know if we should view them as failing again if they don't do any of your suggestions?

Nope. My suggestions are there, in the public domain, but if the club don't use any of them they are not failing because they ignore me.....they are just failing.

How the club market the game is up to the club......it's just they haven't really excelled at it, have they?

As for the bit in Bold? You can and already have formed your own opinion about my attitude to the clubs marketing, so why ask?

Re: 9,975...... : Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:42 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Nope. My suggestions are there, in the public domain, but if the club don't use any of them they are not failing because they ignore me.....they are just failing.

How the club market the game is up to the club......it's just they haven't really excelled at it, have they?

As for the bit in Bold? You can and already have formed your own opinion about my attitude to the clubs marketing, so why ask?

So you won't go on about how useless they are then when they don't listen to you. As they are failing anyway.

My opinion is actually that on occasion, you offer the odd good suggestion. However you have then publicly berate the club because they simply haven't implemented what you think should happen. You often made the club look even worse as a result. People coming on here will read the negativity from yourself and it heightens their impression on things that we all know aren't great.

Now here is just a thought. Do you think the club would be more inviting to you and your knowledge had you not come on here and write what you do? I mean, you don't sell yourself well on here sometimes, and again, in my opinion, to a degree, with your knowledge, you could have been valuable. But who'd take you on after publicly slågging them off. In this case a potential "employer", so to speak that you were willing to help.

We all know their shortcomings, we all know what needs improving. Not all of us slåg them off as a means of getting there.

Re: 9,975...... : Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:01 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

So you won't go on about how useless they are then when they don't listen to you. As they are failing anyway.

No, I will continue to go on about how useless they are until I see an improvement in attendance figures. Whislt they only count for 2 points in the Licence application, they are directly linked to the quality of player we can attract, whether it be wages or atmosphere......3,400 odd is unacceptable and 10 years of treading water is a disgrace.
See.....I said I would continue

Rooster Booster wrote:

My opinion is actually that on occasion, you offer the odd good suggestion. However you have then publicly berate the club because they simply haven't implemented what you think should happen. You often made the club look even worse as a result. People coming on here will read the negativity from yourself and it heightens their impression on things that we all know aren't great. .

When it comes to marketing, the club need no help from me to look bad. As for people reading my posts and me influencing they impression of the club....I think you are bigging me up just a tad there. I am a keyboard warrior and if any fan visited this site and suddenly stopped going to Quins because I am the Leonard Cohen of Marketing....I would worry for that person.

Rooster Booster wrote:

Now here is just a thought. Do you think the club would be more inviting to you and your knowledge had you not come on here and write what you do? I mean, you don't sell yourself well on here sometimes, and again, in my opinion, to a degree, with your knowledge, you could have been valuable. But who'd take you on after publicly slågging them off. In this case a potential "employer", so to speak that you were willing to help.

We all know their shortcomings, we all know what needs improving. Not all of us slåg them off as a means of getting there.

Now...as I have stated in previous posts, there have been occasions when I have communicated my willingness to assist the club. Your inference that I attack the club because I was knocked back for a job there, whilst fair to assume, is so far wide of the mark it should be posted on the other sports forum. For the record, long before I applied for a job at Quins I turned down an approach from the RFL (something I regret now). Hope that clears that up.....

I am a straight talker. I tell it as I see it and I don't believe in trying to put positive spin if their isn't any. I do not "slag" off the club by the way, I simply point out where I believe they are going wrong......
An example would be my many posts about the corporate/Commercial team............over a 2 year period..........and then it turns out....they sold 1 box. The salary paid to that particular person means that that 1 box was probably the most expensive corporate hospitality for 12 people that year.......that is failure!

Re: 9,975...... : Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:06 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

As for people reading my posts and me influencing they impression of the club....I think you are bigging me up just a tad there.

You have continually pointed out how bad they are. Anyone reading will believe you. You write so often to the negative. People can be swayed.

gutterfax wrote:

Now...as I have stated in previous posts, there have been occasions when I have communicated my willingness to assist the club. Your inference that I attack the club because I was knocked back for a job there, whilst fair to assume, is so far wide of the mark it should be posted on the other sports forum. For the record, long before I applied for a job at Quins I turned down an approach from the RFL (something I regret now). Hope that clears that up.....

When the club reads what you post against them on here. Do you really think they'd want you? Seriously? As for the inference. Got that completely wrong geezer. I didn't infer that. Stop making stuff up. Oh and it's not me that's bigging you up if you come on here telling us about turning down the approach from the RFL. Nor has anyone else on here told us that they earn 8,000 quid a month but would do it for free. People just do it. Why tell us that? Are you glory hunting or adulation seeking? This can be said of the thread you started about how the club sometimes listen. When you pointed out YOU suggested something to them in a letter a couple of years before it and then they did it.

gutterfax wrote:

I am a straight talker. I tell it as I see it and I don't believe in trying to put positive spin if their isn't any. I do not "slag" off the club by the way, I simply point out where I believe they are going wrong......
An example would be my many posts about the corporate/Commercial team............over a 2 year period..........and then it turns out....they sold 1 box. The salary paid to that particular person means that that 1 box was probably the most expensive corporate hospitality for 12 people that year.......that is failure!

Simply point out??? There are ways of simply pointing out. Sometimes it don't come across like that GF. A question. This one person. Was that their only job at Quins?



At the end of the day, everyone on here wants us to do well. Even Rupe in his own way. In the meantime bang away. But every now and then expect an anti-depressant that is one of us other posters.

Re: 9,975...... : Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:15 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

A question. This one person. Was that their only job at Quins?

Nope...as I understand it, this person had the responsibility for targeting sponsors (club and matchday) as well as selling corporate hospitality.
Given we struggled to find someone to put on the front of our shirts apart from a restaurant group (in receivership) part owned by our backer and another of his companies on the back, I would qualify that as a resounding success as well The St Mary's deal was done by "other parties".

Negativity has its uses....but if you're of the opinion that we should let the club carry on as normal and swallow the rhetoric tossed out at the Fans Forum about "everything being OK" and "attendance not being a problem", then you're entitled to think that.
I on the other hand look at cold hard facts (where available) and the fact regarding attendances is that since 2000 we have broken the 4,000 mark once and our current average gate is the lowest since 2001.

I have also been told that David Hughes can spend his money as he sees fit and I shouldn't dare to try to advise him........very true.....it is his money and his club, so let's all hope he stays fit, healthy and interested, otherwise, we're bu99ered!

Again, the subject of my ego crops up. I have no qualms about declaring I am a cocky little sod...I also do earn shed loads of cash and consider myself very good at my job. I don't see what the problem is? Shrinking Violets work in the accounts department as far as I am concerned and maybe if the club showed a tiny percentage of the passion I do when they market the game, they might just turn the corner.
The nature of sales and promotion is to be overt, confident (arrogant) and passionate.......words you wouldn't associate with Harlequins Rugby League marketing (or London Broncos before them).

Lastly, I repeat that anyone who comes on these boards and is affected by my constant negativity to the extent where, rather than forming an opinion about me or the club, decides that they will stop supporting the club has problems....serious problems.

: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:29 am  

Some reasons the kids (playing scheme) was seen to fail was sometimes match times but also lack of access to the club. With regard access, kids were given season tickets but the problem is how to get to the game i.e. parents are often required for transport. I know plenty of kids who would love to see QRL but did not have parental support/desire to watch the professional game and could not get to a game. Either the kids are too young or too far away from the Stoop to use public transport.

Rather than a failure the scheme should be tried again and could be tweaked with the odd free/reduced ticket to entice a parent to make the effort to get to a game. For every young season ticket holder there is a least one parent and sometimes two which are the ones you need to target. Kids are already converted - they are playing the game.

You only have to see what happens when the community team have events at the Stoop to see proof of the potential. But even here QRL have shot themselves in the foot and demanded that parents who have brought their kids to events on the college pitch to be told you have to pay full price to watch your kids in the final which is to be (now) played on the main pitch (no prior warning given). Believe me this happened last year and lost a lot of good will and support.

Re: 9,975...... : Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:36 am  

gutterfax wrote:

I have also been told that David Hughes can spend his money as he sees fit and I shouldn't dare to try to advise him.

Lastly, I repeat that anyone who comes on these boards and is affected by my constant negativity to the extent where, rather than forming an opinion about me or the club, decides that they will stop supporting the club has problems....serious problems.

2 things.

1. You weren't "told" by Homer as you put it. Nor did he say "dare to try to advise him". Read what he said again.

2. Not once was it mentioned that people would stop supporting the club based on what you write. Again something you appear to have read into things...again.


Please read what gets written.

: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:37 am  

daftdad wrote:

Some reasons the kids (playing scheme) was seen to fail was sometimes match times but also lack of access to the club. With regard access, kids were given season tickets but the problem is how to get to the game i.e. parents are often required for transport. I know plenty of kids who would love to see QRL but did not have parental support/desire to watch the professional game and could not get to a game. Either the kids are too young or too far away from the Stoop to use public transport.

Rather than a failure the scheme should be tried again and could be tweaked with the odd free/reduced ticket to entice a parent to make the effort to get to a game. For every young season ticket holder there is a least one parent and sometimes two which are the ones you need to target. Kids are already converted - they are playing the game.

You only have to see what happens when the community team have events at the Stoop to see proof of the potential. But even here QRL have shot themselves in the foot and demanded that parents who have brought their kids to events on the college pitch to be told you have to pay full price to watch your kids in the final which is to be (now) played on the main pitch (no prior warning given). Believe me this happened last year and lost a lot of good will and support.

I (YES...ME Rooster Booster...ME ME ME ME ME!) have suggested to the club that all 1,700 kids get a free ticket and the parent/guardian gets a ST for £50-£60.......
Also, I would think that a kind of "Kid Pool" system would be good. 1 Parent looks after 4 Kids one week, the following home game, a different parent...etc...... That would mean that 1 cheap "guardian" season ticket could be shared between 4?
This would need to be suggested to the coaches of these teams and marketed NOW....not in March next year

: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:49 am  

Wow.

Re: 9,975...... : Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:02 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

2 things.

1. You weren't "told" by Homer as you put it. Nor did he say "dare to try to advise him". Read what he said again..

You wrote

Rooster Booster wrote:

When they get your letter and if they don't act on it. Am I to view that as them being a failure again?

he responded

Homer wrote:

I came to a deal ages ago with David Hughes, he stopped telling me how to spend my money, and in return I stop telling him how to spend his.

The point of Homers post was exactly as I defined it. If not, it was a very obscure and random post. It was blatantly a "who do you think you are telling David Hughes how to spend his money" statement ....ergo, don't tell David Hughes HOW TO SPEND HIS MONEY!

Rooster Booster wrote:

2. Not once was it mentioned that people would stop supporting the club based on what you write. Again something you appear to have read into things...again.
Please read what gets written.

conceeded. I have also gone back and re-read the AUP and as there is no ban on negativity, I will continue to post my thoughts.