Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:34 am  

Colly2 wrote:

I think that's due more to personnel than coaching.

1. So can anyone coach Leeds?

2. Did we have the personnel when he was at London?

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:45 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote: 1. So can anyone coach Leeds? 2. Did we have the personnel when he was at London? No, the statement about the personnel is rubbish. We have a lot of structure in attack now and it's better than I have seen in the SL era. every attacking play we throw men at the line and dont get too consistent with the guy we pick out too. For instance look at the highlights from last Friday and our second try scored by Ben Jones-Bishop... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOot_XI ... T6XCtjPf2A Look at the depth, layers, runners and ball movement we use. Then look at the player who gets the most plaudits from his team mates. It's Kallum Watkins and he doesnt even touch the ball. He does create the space for Hardaker and BJB though. It's something we rarely have done in the past and only really started last year. A full season under this structure and we are starting to look good with it though.

Rooster Booster wrote: 1. So can anyone coach Leeds? 2. Did we have the personnel when he was at London? No, the statement about the personnel is rubbish. We have a lot of structure in attack now and it's better than I have seen in the SL era. every attacking play we throw men at the line and dont get too consistent with the guy we pick out too. For instance look at the highlights from last Friday and our second try scored by Ben Jones-Bishop... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOot_XI ... T6XCtjPf2A Look at the depth, layers, runners and ball movement we use. Then look at the player who gets the most plaudits from his team mates. It's Kallum Watkins and he doesnt even touch the ball. He does create the space for Hardaker and BJB though. It's something we rarely have done in the past and only really started last year. A full season under this structure and we are starting to look good with it though.

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:12 pm  

I'm not saying Leeds are uncoached with the ball in hand - that would, of course, be daft. I'm saying that personnel are more important than the coaching when your personnel are Hardaker, BJB, Briscoe, Watkins, Moon, Hall, etc. - hence "that's due more to personnel than coaching".

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:25 pm  

Harrigan wrote:

We have a lot of structure in attack now and it's better than I have seen in the SL era. every attacking play we throw men at the line and dont get too consistent with the guy we pick out too.

This is very likely to be due to players being settled in structures for a long time. Everyone at Leeds knows what everyone else is going to do because they've played together for years.

Leeds's structure in attack is very vanilla. Who doesn't use dummy runners with a full-back playing as a second stand-off on plays late in the tackle count?

I am far more impressed with the Leeds defence.

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:30 pm  

When BMac came in, the player said that McLennan had left them with no game plan, no structure and attempt to play completely off-the-cuff rugby. With no pre-season and a load of injuries, Mac managed to get the players motivated to back-to-back titles in 2011 and 2012.

In the last two seasons we've had several good youngsters break into the first team - Stevie Ward, Brad Singleton and Liam Sutcliffe for instance. Watkins now looks the best centre in SL by a mile, and Zak the best fullback. Both were given their chance in the team by BMac.

I was worried early doors 2011, but I wouldn't swap him for anyone now.

That said, his biggest challenge is ahead. Between now & the end of 2016 he'll likely have to replace McGuire, Burrow, Leuluai, Peacock, Jones-Buchanan, Sinfield and Kirke.

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:47 pm  

Thinking of having a mad half hour and placing a bet on Broncos to win
I can get 66-1 for a win within 1 to 12 points and 500-1 for 13+ points



Wasn't going t be that mad just a pound I found on the floor.......

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:19 pm  

Colly2 wrote:

This is very likely to be due to players being settled in structures for a long time. Everyone at Leeds knows what everyone else is going to do because they've played together for years.

Leeds's structure in attack is very vanilla. Who doesn't use dummy runners with a full-back playing as a second stand-off on plays late in the tackle count?

I am far more impressed with the Leeds defence.

Yes, our defense is very good so far, but if you think our attack is how you described it then you are sorely mistaken. We have dummy runners, movement off the ball, layers in attack, different options on the line. This seems to be more about the fact that McDermott didn't deliver that with London and you seem to have a hard time grasping he has made us look better with the ball than ever before. I know a lot of fans didn't like him down here but just as young players improve and mature, so do coaches.

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:54 pm  

I think some may have forgotten that Mac went to Leeds as an assistant in the first instance. I'll give him the credit that he deserves for what he has achieved at Leeds but his stock as a coach was pretty low after his spell in London, hence why he took an assistant's post( albeit at a bigger club). At the time the anger of some Leeds fans at his appointment as first team coach, based on his spell in the capital was pretty understandable.

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Fri Mar 21, 2014 2:26 pm  

Back on topic of this game, I am expecting the worse, but as long as the team look like they are trying, I won't be peed off with a young, inexperienced side that has been thrown together at the last minute.

The Broncos "performance" that still rankles me, is the 0-60 hammering by Leeds in 2006 (on Sky too, iirc). What a shambles and in our first year as QRL too.

Amazing that Leeds still have 5 players who played that day (we have none).

Anyhoo, COYB!

Re: v Leeds Rhinos. March 21st 8pm : Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:06 pm  

Dan Stains woz God wrote:

Back on topic of this game, I am expecting the worse, but as long as the team look like they are trying, I won't be peed off with a young, inexperienced side that has been thrown together at the last minute.

The Broncos "performance" that still rankles me, is the 0-60 hammering by Leeds in 2006 (on Sky too, iirc). What a shambles and in our first year as QRL too.

Amazing that Leeds still have 5 players who played that day (we have none).

Anyhoo, COYB!

That was a bad one alright, I seem to remember Keith Senior running through his opposite number ( ? Tim Hartley)that night as if he wasn't there. Probably wasn't as bad as the farce of a performance against Wigan last season but it was pretty grim