Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:14 pm  

mickyb1234 wrote:

You know there is one thing i am going to look forward to next year.

being able to have a thread on here talking about the forthcoming game without the obligitory post from NZ quoting a bunch of pointless percentages, previous crowds, and revenue from the previous games against that club. Their will be no stats as most clubs we will not have played against

No Michael......we have played a good number of the clubs in the Championship over the years and there are stats to go with them.

Your attitude is, I have to say, indicative of why the club is in the mire.......the desire to discuss the football is fine, but your constant state of denial is alarming. 2015 will be fun Michael, but don't expect it to be any better than the last few years......same owner, same poop, different division.

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:22 pm  

Sorry gf I dont have the time or inclination to read your tome. Can you turn off the verbose setting?

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:28 pm  

meliferra wrote:

Sorry gf I dont have the time or inclination to read your tome. Can you turn off the verbose setting?

The short version?
AK was BRIBED by the RFL for 2014 and he now wants his cake and to eat it. Based on 2014's attendances, The numbers for 2015 will not add up, but he knows we have a few quid in a parachute payment, so he'll try to squeeze a few bob extra out of us in 2015......and thanks to the mess created by Hughes and his gimp, we'll probably fork out 30% of our central funding to stay where we are.

Welcome to the wonderful world of London Broncos sports administration.........

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:36 pm  

So you are claiming that Broncos will pay more in rent than the Stoop but have nothing to support the claim. I got that bit.

The only part we agree on is with the Hive doing the admin then ticket revenue alone probably wont be enough for TK to see next year as viable.

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:52 pm  

meliferra wrote:

So you are claiming that Broncos will pay more in rent than the Stoop but have nothing to support the claim. I got that bit.

Nope.....I've shown how much AK could have taken on the gate this year with an 1,250 average including 200 Members, 63 Kids, 62 OAP's, 75 Discounted Hive members, 650 in the cheap seats and 200 freebies per game...it was close to £250,000......my track record in this arena of London Broncos finances shows I am usually within 5%.......but nobody is forcing you to believe me.

meliferra wrote:

The only part we agree on is with the Hive doing the admin then ticket revenue alone probably wont be enough for TK to see next year as viable.

Nope......but he is in the box seat with regard to negotiations, as in Hughes and his gimp alienated every other landlord in the region with their insane posturing over 2 years.

By the way, the marketing and administration costs that London Broncos posted in their 2012 accounts came to £750,000. Not sure about the cost of booking a coach to take players to games, sorting out pay-roll or buying a travel card for Buck and Dusty, but I reckon AK's not spent 10% of that this year.......

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:28 pm  

You're right nothing is forcing me to believe you have a grip on the finances at the Hive. Your obsession with revenue while ignoring costs while at the same time admitting that Broncos have wiped out a large chunk of their admin costs along the way shows me this. The bottom line for this move to the Hive has always been Hughes looking to cut his burden.

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:35 pm  

meliferra wrote:

You're right nothing is forcing me to believe you have a grip on the finances at the Hive. Your obsession with revenue while ignoring costs while at the same time admitting that Broncos have wiped out a large chunk of their admin costs along the way shows me this. The bottom line for this move to the Hive has always been Hughes looking to cut his burden.

1. Not ignoring costs at all. AK knows how much it costs to open the gates.....I have simply shown a scenario where he's taken 250k.
2. Hughes cut his costs alright.........as with most things he touches, he's loved that up too. He's killed the club stone dead.......he's removed any chance of a legacy for his 15 million investment. A fool and his money are easily parted they say and in this case, it would seem so!

Re: wire game : Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:53 pm  

So far you have shown many scenarios. Initially over 300k which I described as excessive.

Whatever the figure, it is irrelevant. What matters is what TK expects it to be next year and whether after the cost of hosting the Broncos he thinks the deal is worthwhile.

Re: wire game : Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:24 am  

meliferra wrote:

So far you have shown many scenarios. Initially over 300k which I described as excessive.

Whatever the figure, it is irrelevant. What matters is what TK expects it to be next year and whether after the cost of hosting the Broncos he thinks the deal is worthwhile.

23k a game on the gate per game delivers 300k. That's at 18.40 a ticket.......I don't see that as excessive at all, but have instead skewed the scenarios to a more realistic 250k/15 quid a fan. AK apparently thinks that based on 2014's numbers, 2015 on the same model isn't for him, which points to us having to pay the man rent.........if 15 quid a ticket average, where the range of prices (other than pensioners and kids) is 16-25 notes a pop isn't enough for him, then it points to the club having a similar if not greater rent bill than they had in 2012.

Re: wire game : Tue Jul 15, 2014 8:58 am  

gutterfax wrote:

AK apparently thinks that based on 2014's numbers, 2015 on the same model isn't for him, which points to us having to pay the man rent.

Yes I think we've got that bit. TK appears to have decided that in 2015 ticket revenue less costs is insufficient to make it worth his while if stories are to be believed and so an alternative will need to be arranged.

gutterfax wrote:

then it points to the club having a similar if not greater rent bill than they had in 2012.

No it doesn't.
It's an argument you'd like to be true but the figures you supply prove nothing with regards to how much benefit the Hive will derive from having the Broncos stay next season and how much revenue TK has determined is necessary to make it worthwhile. imo you are just repeating an unsupported assumption and constantly repeating it does not make it true.
It's a broken record that the Stoop rent + admin costs & marketing - ticket revenue made a loss and contributed ZERO to the playing budget so to now claim that Broncos not paying rent, admin costs or marketing and forfeiting the ticket revenue in exchange is a poor deal is a joke. On multiple occasions you have compared the ticket revenue at the hive to the rent at the stoop while choosing to ignore the costs broncos no longer pay and the Hive now cover out of that revenue, it is a completely false argument.