Re: TWP : Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:41 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

So no relaxation of the rules as was done for a while for us and for Catalans?

Catalan and London were invited...... Toronto invited themselves. The. Comparison between Toronto and the. London monarchs is spot on..... Build something with nothing other than the fact that you can afford to never ends well......

Re: TWP : Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:50 pm  

Again talking in riddles, how were london and Catalan invite? Pretty sure they approached the RFL to join the league like everyone else. At least with toronto unlike Catalans they started at the bottom.
Are you saying Toronto should not be playing in the league? If so why not.
Still don’t know who the monarchs are

Re: TWP : Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:34 pm  

As I understand it. At the inception of Super League, Sky TV the broadcasters stated their desire for a London club to be included in the competition.
Connections were made between The Marantas and London Crusaders. Thus London Broncos became a SL team playing at Charlton.

Re: TWP : Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:54 pm  

So london broncos who finished 4th in the league they were playing in the year before were fast tracked in “for commercial reasons” Paris in to give it European SL status.
Catalans later shoe horned in without ever competing in any English league before that!
Was that right?
Toronto applied to join the competition not direct into SL but at the bottom, not sure how that is a bad thing, or how that means they invited themselves.
Like any other club who want to enter now they earned there position (some say bought) they have not been fast tracked into SL.

Actually I don’t really agree with them entering the league, the cost for cash strapped teams to go out there will become an issue, the game is not stable financially stable to justify it. But “the game” think it’s worth the gamble.

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:20 am  

northernbloke wrote:

Still don’t know who the monarchs are

A professional transatlantic sports team who were built on a foundation of sand and cash... With razzmatazz, great PR, cheap tickets and a family friendly ethos..... Attracted 40k in their first season of the world bowl.... Flying across Europe and the Atlantic..... Vanished up their own 'arises inside 7 years......and that was with the NFL singing cheques.
Toronto are nothing of substance...... They are bankrolled by argyle and even if all their fans are paying and attending in the declared mumbers he will have £2,000,000 shortfall to fill each year in SL..... There is no TV deal..... No other north American teams in the offing..... They provide nothing other than an alternative home for average players and £1.8 of sky cash

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:27 am  

northernbloke wrote:

, the cost for cash strapped teams to go out there will become an issue,.

Like the away fan argument, that is no reason to preclude them..... If a club can't afford or raise £50,000 then they shouldn't be getting £1.8 million in Central funding.

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:57 am  

So here is a scenario for you Dog, Toronto don’t go up! Next year they are still in championship, they play there games home and away. But they stop paying for away teams costs. York and Bradford get promoted, neither of those teams will get any where near 1.8 mil central funding. Bare min squad they need to take to Canada, 18 players, physio, coach. That’s 20 return flights and accommodation for say 3 nights and travel costs in Canada.
That trip alone hits the budget of those clubs hard, most teams live a hand to mouth financial existence, even some SL outfits are not that stable.
What money Toronto have in that case is irrelevant.
If they make SL , if Salford stayed up, that one trip could break salford financially.
But it is what it is, as for your monarchs, most folk said london Rugby league would never survive when it first started all those years ago.
Again predicting the future is hard, let’s look in 10 years time and see what happens, sometimes you have to take a gamble.

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:32 am  

northernbloke wrote:

So here is a scenario for you Dog, Toronto don’t go up! Next year they are still in championship, they play there games home and away. But they stop paying for away teams costs. York and Bradford get promoted, neither of those teams will get any where near 1.8 mil central funding. Bare min squad they need to take to Canada, 18 players, physio, coach. That’s 20 return flights and accommodation for say 3 nights and travel costs in Canada.
That trip alone hits the budget of those clubs hard, most teams live a hand to mouth financial existence, even some SL outfits are not that stable.
What money Toronto have in that case is irrelevant.
If they make SL , if Salford stayed up, that one trip could break salford financially.
But it is what it is, as for your monarchs, most folk said london Rugby league would never survive when it first started all those years ago.
Again predicting the future is hard, let’s look in 10 years time and see what happens, sometimes you have to take a gamble.

Toronto are bound by the terms of their entry to pay for visitors travel and accommodation until Toronto arrive in SL...... So I repeat..... If. Sky give you 1.8 mill and you can't afford 3% of that to travel to Toronto then you shouldn't get the 1.8 mill

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:47 am  

That cannot be an open ended agreement! That must be time bound and I would be very surprised if that’s the case!
I also still say the a team like salford who struggle now to run with the funding they have available will struggle even more with the bill attached to going to Canada possibly a couple of times a year

Re: TWP : Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:47 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

That cannot be an open ended agreement! That must be time bound and I would be very surprised if that’s the case!

5 Years was the term announced I believe

northernbloke wrote:

I also still say the a team like salford who struggle now to run with the funding they have available will struggle even more with the bill attached to going to Canada possibly a couple of times a year

so Salford don't deserve to be at the top table and most definitely not receive the £1.8 million...their lack of fans and fiscal income is almost identical to ours......they lost Marwan and therefore they are buggered....we lose Hughes and no matter how we romanticise about the current 8's scenario, we go the same route.....and Toronto lose Argyle and .....well, you get the picture.