: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:09 am  

gutterfax wrote:

as someone who pays when he has to and otherwise uses connections to get in for nothing, I feel slightly uneasy getting into a "class war" over the cost of the Gold ST as against peasants like Listy....but hey, why the hell not.
£300+ x 20 is £6,000 + residual income. Replacing it, with say students, would mean finding 60 punters, with less residual income. Makes perfect sense to me..................NOT!

Where have you got 60 students from? How about 60 Adult tickets which is the same? No idea why you chose to bring that one up

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:15 am  

I'm a season ticket holder so here are my views.

I do not care which stand I sit in. This does not influence my decision to come and watch the team. I can sit in a seat and I can watch the game with a good view. There is no difference between the 2 stands with regards to this so the club can do whatever makes most economic sense. Fill one stand before filling up another.

This better atmosphere thing makes me laugh. Please explain why there will be a better atmosphere in the LV stand. You got your L+L thing sorted but created nothing. I suppose its the stands fault?

I also do not care which bars are open. I do not particularly care where the away supporters sit within reason.

My main concern at the moment is on the pitch as we can open whichever stand we like and play on any day of the week but without a decent team it will all be in vain. That needs sorting out first and I would rather finances are directed towards the team rather than spending money opening stands because people cry about the inferior views in the East Stand.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:16 am  

Chris Brown wrote:

Having said that, surely even you have to accept that the current position is not acceptable and something has to be done. The club cannot continue to try gimmicks to get people along and still only muster 3000 people, SOMETHING has to change, maybe its the kick off time, maybe not but doing nothing is the only answer which is unacceptable

It does, but it has nothing to do with the day we play on, the stand people sit in or the levels of stewarding.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:27 am  

Dave Lister wrote:

Where have you got 60 students from? How about 60 Adult tickets which is the same? No idea why you chose to bring that one up

Just chose a ST at the other end of the cost spectrum. An adult ST is not the same as a Gold ST by the way and the entire point was why should we lose any fans when we can't afford to.

I am with you on the Stand thingy...I would sit in the rubble of the South Building site, but the club need to sort out where people sit. They have had 4 years to get it right.......and even that is beyond them.
As for on the pitch.......you know my stance on this. More fans = More revenue = better players.
If you get your the order wrong, you go bust!

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:33 am  

gutterfax wrote:

Just chose a ST at the other end of the cost spectrum. An adult ST is not the same as a Gold ST by the way and the entire point was why should we lose any fans when we can't afford to.

I know, and I was pointing out that there should be no reason why the views of Gold Season ticket holders should be held in higher regard than regular Adult supporters. Its made out like they are major investors in the club or something. We have plenty of Adult supporters who pay plenty of money for season tickets too.

gutterfax wrote:

As for on the pitch.......you know my stance on this. More fans = More revenue = better players.
If you get your the order wrong, you go bust!

And conversely, better performance = more fans = more revenue. Worse performance = fewer fans = disaster.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:10 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

And conversely, better performance = more fans = more revenue. Worse performance = fewer fans = disaster.

Challenge Cup final and 2 play-off places haven't exactly helped us have they?
It is the chicken and egg scenario.......and I for one would like to see crowds grow and mid table finishes, rather than a top 5 finish and 3,500 fans.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:14 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Challenge Cup final and 2 play-off places haven't exactly helped us have they?
It is the chicken and egg scenario.......and I for one would like to see crowds grow and mid table finishes, rather than a top 5 finish and 3,500 fans.

Sneaking into the final play off place hardly proves better performance. Clutching at straws there me thinks Inconsistency throughout the season and seasonal humiliations do not help matters.

I would love to see crowds grow and would be happy with midtable performances if they did, but I can't see crowds rising on the back of it. If we got into the position of turning decent clubs over on a regular basis it would be something to work with - come and watch us, we just turned over the current SL champions. Works a bit better than come and watch us, we turned over the current SL champions but more recently lost 6 out of 7 games including getting tonked by teams below us in the ladder.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:50 pm  

Dave Lister wrote:

Clutching at straws there me thinks

er...we have beaten the SL champs on more than 1 occasion and it didn't boost our numbers. The fact is, we could win Superleague and the Challenge Cup in the same year and the London Media wouldn't pay attention. Only when we have a crowd bigger than that of a League 1 soccer team (10,000+) AND we are winning things will the London Media even bother to mention us properly.

: Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:58 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

er...we have beaten the SL champs on more than 1 occasion and it didn't boost our numbers. The fact is, we could win Superleague and the Challenge Cup in the same year and the London Media wouldn't pay attention. Only when we have a crowd bigger than that of a League 1 soccer team (10,000+) AND we are winning things will the London Media even bother to mention us properly.

Doubt that.

The points Lister makes are valid as well, our seasons are repeats of themselves year on year, a sprinkling of above weight victories mean the hardcore hopes rise, followed always by losses [usually in streams] to teams we should at least be competitive with.....nothing has changed in that respect in all the years I have watched them, glorious underdogs and perennial underachievers................the problem is that more is and should be expected, at the very least consitancy in some shape or form.

All of that means we cannot sustain the interest of people who want to see more than that which we are capable of.

I don't want us to get in the 8 I don't even want us to beat Salford because all that does is raise fresh false hopes about us.