Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:46 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote: ...not even a professional cricketer who has played for their country. You need to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-HziERgfk before you say anything else

Rooster Booster wrote: ...not even a professional cricketer who has played for their country. You need to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-HziERgfk before you say anything else

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:00 pm  

jbuzza wrote: You need to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-HziERgfk before you say anything else The bloke is a total fail.

jbuzza wrote: You need to watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-HziERgfk before you say anything else The bloke is a total fail.

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:31 pm  

Culture of "acceptable" failure?

It's a shame we are not Parra. We could afford to give some of the crap that wear the jersey we follow and above the them the flick

It's such a shame that people hone in on what GF impression is and think of it as the reason. When it's more like poor choices. Lack of money. And be out of ones depth. Rather than labellimg an entire sporting club having an ENTIRE cultre

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:40 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote:

Being able to and having the ability to turn things around at our club is completely different from thinking we have a culture where failure is acceptable.

I agree that we may not have the ability to turn things around, technically we're just not good enough on the pitch or off the pitch (which is why any calls to show passion and heart are meaningless), but we don't even seem to be trying to put ourselves in a position where we may get that ability. Our recruitment has been poor for several years, promotion of the club is non-existent, there's a clear lack of leadership (and it's not just the fans who think this, it's the players too if we believe Gower and Clubb). On and off the pitch we've been sliding for several years with no sign of how we pull out of this.

I'm really not sure if we will be around next season, and if we are what's the point unless we can turnover at least half the squad for better players (a saving grace is that I suspect some of our most mediocre players are actually on bigger salaries if we can get rid of them e.g. the likes of Randall, Witt, Bryant, Kafusi, and Howell. Right now I'd kill for a McLinden, a Hopkins, a Tookey, a Millard, a Retchless, a Gill, players who brought something to the game.

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:46 pm  

The squad are underachieving. The culture of any organisation has a significant bearing on its results. The culture and expected results for an organisation are set at the top. When performance falls short, successful organisations will tend to have a culture that identifies the reasons and plans action to make improvements. They will become very focused. Failing organisations will tend to lower expectations, make excuses, distract themselves with self pity and actions that are nothing to do with the reasons for failure. London Broncos show all the signs of being a miserably failing organisation and that is in no small part a reflection of its culture.

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:50 pm  

Kelvin's Ferret wrote:

Right now I'd kill for a McLinden, a Hopkins, a Tookey, a Millard, a Retchless, a Gill, players who brought something to the game.

These were winners not losers.

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:02 pm  

jbuzza wrote:

The squad are underachieving. The culture of any organisation has a significant bearing on its results. The culture and expected results for an organisation are set at the top. When performance falls short, successful organisations will tend to have a culture that identifies the reasons and plans action to make improvements. They will become very focused. Failing organisations will tend to lower expectations, make excuses, distract themselves with self pity and actions that are nothing to do with the reasons for failure. London Broncos show all the signs of being a miserably failing organisation and that is in no small part a reflection of its culture.

I work as a trainer at a very successful NRL club in their reserve grade. In the last two seasons we finished bottom whilst the first grade won the premiership. Last year we were second from bottom. This year we are currently third from bottom. Do you think our club has a "culture" of failure?

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:14 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote: Culture of "acceptable" failure? It's a shame we are not Parra. We could afford to give some of the crap that wear the jersey we follow and above the them the flick It's such a shame that people hone in on what GF impression is and think of it as the reason. When it's more like poor choices. Lack of money. And be out of ones depth. Rather than labellimg an entire sporting club having an ENTIRE culture Not sure why you are continuing with this 1 man crusade against my statement, especially after my identifying a culture of acceptable failure has been backed up by people who have been to games, witnessed the absolute destruction of anything like a club spirit and the total neglect of the fans, their opinions or.....and this is the worst bit in my opinion, their LOYALTY. We have heard tales of fans who in the past have laid everything on the line in support of the club in the past......I suspect you'll be hard pressed to find anyone willing to do the same for the current failing business/sports club. Other than RL and these boards, I have another "hobby" that I am also in the process of becoming qualified in....that of Business Strategy. I enjoyed my Marketing degree so much I am now backing it up with Degree in Business Studies! Can I suggest you nip down to your local library and grab a copy of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Dysfunctions_of_a_Team Nobody from the club is ever going to put their hand up and say that a culture of failure exists at London Broncos, but a skipper who wants out because he's sick of losing, his predecessor walked because he was sick of the lack of proper training, a CEO who has delivered nothing of any benefit to the club, a chairman who did the Wigan walk at the weekend and an ever decreasing circle of supporters prepared to attend games point to exactly that. Poor choices: are exactly that.....what makes them failings is the reluctance to admit when you get it wrong....David Hughes doesn't do admission of errors...neither does he accept he ever makes mistakes...his failings filter down to the CEO who continues to steal a wage.....his continued employment even after his changing of the clubs name to increase awareness failed is in turn a sign to the coaching and playing staff that failure is OK. Lack of Money: is a smoke screen. We receive 1.1 million from SKY and about 1.1 million from fans...it is David Hughes decision to allow his poor choice of coach to spend to the cap. A good business that wants to stem the flow of wasted cash "budgets" and assigns cash to areas that will deliver returns.....the club turns over about 4 million a year and makes losses of 1.7 million....it has done so for the last 3 reported set of accounts.....not sure about you, but given the same players are in play(except powell and the fans forced Hughes hand there) I would identify that as a culture of acceptable failure. Out of ones depth: I refer you to the point above about poor choices. In the real world (come and join us and have a look-see some time) there are rewards and consequences. The only consequence of the failure of the ENTIRE club over the last 2.63 seasons has been the dismissal of a coach who was a poor choice and 2 staff who were poor choices of the poor choice of a CEO. The rest of the ENTIRE club has been rewarded with continued employment.....to reward an organisation (and its staff) that in 2.63 seasons has lost 80% of its games, 35% of its fans even after a much trumpeted name change is most assuredly a big love off sign that says we REWARD FAILURE. Another thing that I have learnt as part of my new hobby becoming a potential new revenue stream, is that the most important thing a Business has is the people it employs. If you don't employ A players to key positions in Business, then more often than not, your business will fail......if you employ C players into these key positions, how in christs name do you expect to ever attract A player applicants for future roles? If Hughes flicked Gus today....do you think an advert for a new CEO would attract A grade candidates? Would it love. Same for Rea....if he was booted today, how many A grade coaches would apply? Failure has a habit of finding failure.......and the current home of FAILURE in RL is The London Broncos! BTW.....I once asked Mac at a fans forum pre-season where we would finish and he replied first. When I repeated the question, with a smile and said seriously, where will we finish, he scowled at me and said he'd just told me! We finished 11th, but I can assure you, every single player who ran out that year knew their was a consequence if they failed......I don't believe that this squad believe there is a consequence to them failing.

Rooster Booster wrote: Culture of "acceptable" failure? It's a shame we are not Parra. We could afford to give some of the crap that wear the jersey we follow and above the them the flick It's such a shame that people hone in on what GF impression is and think of it as the reason. When it's more like poor choices. Lack of money. And be out of ones depth. Rather than labellimg an entire sporting club having an ENTIRE culture Not sure why you are continuing with this 1 man crusade against my statement, especially after my identifying a culture of acceptable failure has been backed up by people who have been to games, witnessed the absolute destruction of anything like a club spirit and the total neglect of the fans, their opinions or.....and this is the worst bit in my opinion, their LOYALTY. We have heard tales of fans who in the past have laid everything on the line in support of the club in the past......I suspect you'll be hard pressed to find anyone willing to do the same for the current failing business/sports club. Other than RL and these boards, I have another "hobby" that I am also in the process of becoming qualified in....that of Business Strategy. I enjoyed my Marketing degree so much I am now backing it up with Degree in Business Studies! Can I suggest you nip down to your local library and grab a copy of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Dysfunctions_of_a_Team Nobody from the club is ever going to put their hand up and say that a culture of failure exists at London Broncos, but a skipper who wants out because he's sick of losing, his predecessor walked because he was sick of the lack of proper training, a CEO who has delivered nothing of any benefit to the club, a chairman who did the Wigan walk at the weekend and an ever decreasing circle of supporters prepared to attend games point to exactly that. Poor choices: are exactly that.....what makes them failings is the reluctance to admit when you get it wrong....David Hughes doesn't do admission of errors...neither does he accept he ever makes mistakes...his failings filter down to the CEO who continues to steal a wage.....his continued employment even after his changing of the clubs name to increase awareness failed is in turn a sign to the coaching and playing staff that failure is OK. Lack of Money: is a smoke screen. We receive 1.1 million from SKY and about 1.1 million from fans...it is David Hughes decision to allow his poor choice of coach to spend to the cap. A good business that wants to stem the flow of wasted cash "budgets" and assigns cash to areas that will deliver returns.....the club turns over about 4 million a year and makes losses of 1.7 million....it has done so for the last 3 reported set of accounts.....not sure about you, but given the same players are in play(except powell and the fans forced Hughes hand there) I would identify that as a culture of acceptable failure. Out of ones depth: I refer you to the point above about poor choices. In the real world (come and join us and have a look-see some time) there are rewards and consequences. The only consequence of the failure of the ENTIRE club over the last 2.63 seasons has been the dismissal of a coach who was a poor choice and 2 staff who were poor choices of the poor choice of a CEO. The rest of the ENTIRE club has been rewarded with continued employment.....to reward an organisation (and its staff) that in 2.63 seasons has lost 80% of its games, 35% of its fans even after a much trumpeted name change is most assuredly a big love off sign that says we REWARD FAILURE. Another thing that I have learnt as part of my new hobby becoming a potential new revenue stream, is that the most important thing a Business has is the people it employs. If you don't employ A players to key positions in Business, then more often than not, your business will fail......if you employ C players into these key positions, how in christs name do you expect to ever attract A player applicants for future roles? If Hughes flicked Gus today....do you think an advert for a new CEO would attract A grade candidates? Would it love. Same for Rea....if he was booted today, how many A grade coaches would apply? Failure has a habit of finding failure.......and the current home of FAILURE in RL is The London Broncos! BTW.....I once asked Mac at a fans forum pre-season where we would finish and he replied first. When I repeated the question, with a smile and said seriously, where will we finish, he scowled at me and said he'd just told me! We finished 11th, but I can assure you, every single player who ran out that year knew their was a consequence if they failed......I don't believe that this squad believe there is a consequence to them failing.

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:32 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote:

I work as a trainer at a very successful NRL club in their reserve grade. In the last two seasons we finished bottom whilst the first grade won the premiership. Last year we were second from bottom. This year we are currently third from bottom. Do you think our club has a "culture" of failure?

Sort of irrelevant and how would I know from that information ?

Re: Angus James Mackay FOR THE LOVE OF GOD : Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:52 pm  

Rooster Booster wrote:

I work as a trainer at a very successful NRL club in their reserve grade. In the last two seasons we finished bottom whilst the first grade won the premiership. Last year we were second from bottom. This year we are currently third from bottom. Do you think our club has a "culture" of failure?

You're mistaking "team spirit" in a reserve grade professional sport with the ENTIRE culture of a club.

Rugby League Clubs are a sports Business. Yes, success on the park is important, but there has to be a major cultural vision that everyone accepts.

What is the vision of the London Broncos?
I would say that it would be "to fly the flag for RL outside the heartlands and encourage more locals to take up or take an interest in the sport of Rugby League
What is the strategic goal that it strives to achieve?
I would day to be a successful, self sufficient and popular sports team in the London area, challenging for Trophies
What KPI's are in place to measure the performance of the business?
These should be Quarterly targets both on and off the field, with regard to performance in games at all levels, care for injured stars, recovery times together with marketing activities, attracting fans and corporates, schmoozing sponsors/potential sponsors, fulfilling community tasks. These targets need to all be measurable.
What rewards are in place for achievement?
Continued employment, job satisfaction and opportunities to progress are often more important to A players than financial reward. That said, financial reward where financial targets are achieved are important.
What are the consequences of failure?
In reality, investigation and identification for failure is often followed by remedial action, retraining, some times disciplinary action and in worst case scenarios, unemployment.

Currently at London Broncos, there is no publicly stated Vision, strategic goal and there are most assuredly no consequences for failure....all that is on offer at the moment is continued employment.