Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:31 pm  

meliferra wrote:

Would he be expected to know whether Broncos are staying at the Hive under the terms of a 2 year deal as he has said in the interview?
I haven't listened back but did he say he was in charge of finance as well?

Yes, for the past three years.

Sounds to me like someone who would know the score.

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:55 pm  

BroncOnIon wrote:

What you actually said, in a thread title, was that we'd be "Homeless in 2015".

gutterfax wrote:

.....the hive aren't interested in the year 2 option in regards to the broncos in 2015. Brave new dawn looking like another complete clusterfffffk!
.......this is not negativity for negativity's sake by the way. It's just what I've heard from a reliable source.

Now...to clarify the above and remove the inane grins from certain idiotic elements on this forum, the above is the claim that I made and stand by in regards to the Hive in 2015.
To clarify, in 2014 AK carried out all the administration, marketing and other residuals for the club and in return received all the income associated from ticket sales, shop sales, beer, wine food etc etc and the "club" ran on the SKY cash and whatever Hughes deemed us worthy of.
In 2015....this will not be the case.
AK wants either payment for rental of the ground,training facilities and offices, together with money to cover his costs in regards to other aspects of running the club......some might call this rent.
Without wishing to get involved in a he said/she said with our resident Barnet FC fan, the revenue AK received this year from ticket sales, shirts, marketing budgets etc will be in the region of 250k. If this isn't enough for him to the extent where the agreement needs to be altered, then we are looking at neeing to write a cheque for a decent amount of money to RENT the Hive......

...yep, Like a newspaper headline, the Homeless in 2015 was a stretch, but I have yet to see a memebership/ST or any other offer saying we're staying where we are in 2015........and as I say, if we do, it's not on the same "agreeable" terms as this year.

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:59 pm  

meliferra wrote:

Sounds to me like someone who would know the score.

The last 2 CEO's and the Owner have been incapable of tying their own laces for 6 years +, so forgive me if I take his comments with a pinch of salt. Kleanthouse, as you are keen to tell us...does business "his way" and I'd expect paperwork etc to drag on just long enough to force Hughe's hand when it comes to fiscals....there's only 900k in the kitty next year and we are full time

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:28 pm  

It's a membership GF, as in it rolls on unless you cancel it. You will see no ST/Membership offer.
If you are right then all Bronco members will be notified that their membership has been cancelled. I guess we will have to wait and see if you are right. So far the only person supporting your claim is you.

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:02 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Now...to clarify the above and remove the inane grins from certain idiotic elements on this forum,.

gutterfax wrote:

The last 2 CEO's and the Owner have been incapable of tying their own laces for 6 years

... and many more along the same lines... including referring to the multi-millionaire owner as an idiot. Some idiot to make that sort of money.

Gutters, genuine question: Why do you so often resort to personal abuse in "support" of your arguments? I really don't understand it and, from my perspective, it serves only to diminish your credibility.

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:19 pm  

meliferra wrote:

It's a membership GF, as in it rolls on unless you cancel it. You will see no ST/Membership offer.
If you are right then all Bronco members will be notified that their membership has been cancelled. I guess we will have to wait and see if you are right. So far the only person supporting your claim is you.

It's only a membership as long as AK is getting the cash. If we are paying rent next year, then we pay him and what we call it and charge for it is nothing to do with him.

As for supporting my claim......my claim is simple.It is that AK is not happy for 2014's arrangement to continue into 2015. This points to him not being happy with his income from this year and requiring "additional" finding for it to continue into 2015..........and I say again, we only have 900k in the Kitty for 2015......then it get's worse.
As for the belief that a winning team in the championship will attract more fans than a spanked one in the top tier
Find me a club with a bigger support AFTER relegation in RL.

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 10:31 pm  

BroncOnIon wrote:

including referring to the multi-millionaire owner as an idiot. Some idiot to make that sort of money.

What would you refer to the actions of this Oil Broker in flushing 15 million + down the tubes, in addition to another 15 million of SKY and Fans revenue over 7 seasons then? Genius? Brilliant Strategy? He can't afford to do it infinitely.....as in he cut us off last year and we are loved!

Read a Pastel Revolution....page 134 specifically. Hughes says to Lenegan

"I am an oil trader and successful at that but, but marketing, finance, business management, human resources etc are not my strengths"

As for the personal or otherwise abuse? Because I swear a lot and refer to people I consider idiots as idiots, it doesn't lessen the truth. Hughes has overseen over 30 million in losses over 7 seasons and in that period, has managed to drive away 75% of the clubs fans whilst delivering a win ratio of 26%. His actions have seen a network of clubs and academy connections cast adrift in west London and the bare bones of the talent we have produced, picked clean........the mans a class A loving idiot!....30 MILLION IN LOSSES FROM 181 SL GAMES........

Re: Which players are staying? : Wed Jul 16, 2014 11:16 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

It's only a membership as long as AK is getting the cash. If we are paying rent next year, then we pay him and what we call it and charge for it is nothing to do with him.

As for supporting my claim......my claim is simple.It is that AK is not happy for 2014's arrangement to continue into 2015. This points to him not being happy with his income from this year and requiring "additional" finding for it to continue into 2015..........and I say again, we only have 900k in the Kitty for 2015......then it get's worse.
As for the belief that a winning team in the championship will attract more fans than a spanked one in the top tier
Find me a club with a bigger support AFTER relegation in RL.

That is exactly my point, the memberships are contracts betwean the Hive and Bronco fans, the direct debits are paid into Hive accounts. So if Broncos want their own admin to collect a membership\season ticket they will need to notify current Bronco members in order to do it as they will have no authorisation to take payments from them.

I've heard your claim multiple times and your assumption that this years revenue will determine next years deal is still false. There is no evidence to show TK is unhappy with this years revenue, only that it is reasonable to assume he may not be happy with next years. I am under no illusions that crowds will be smaller next year but I have seen plenty of evidence in football of teams being relegated with small crowds coming back with bigger crowds because of on field success being more attractive than watching your team get hammered.

Re: Which players are staying? : Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:27 am  

meliferra wrote:

That is exactly my point, the memberships are contracts betwean the Hive and Bronco fans, the direct debits are paid into Hive accounts. So if Broncos want their own admin to collect a membership\season ticket they will need to notify current Bronco members in order to do it as they will have no authorisation to take payments from them.

I've heard your claim multiple times and your assumption that this years revenue will determine next years deal is still false. There is no evidence to show TK is unhappy with this years revenue, only that it is reasonable to assume he may not be happy with next years. I am under no illusions that crowds will be smaller next year but I have seen plenty of evidence in football of teams being relegated with small crowds coming back with bigger crowds because of on field success being more attractive than watching your team get hammered.

Anything over a 400 average next year is dependant on the curiosity of away fans more than anything. Broncos fan base is not the youthful group it used to be and regardless of their devotion, I can't see them getting across from sidcup for the visit of dewsbury in the same number was say Leeds.

Re: Which players are staying? : Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:40 am  

The Bronco support looked very youthful a couple of weeks ago and I hear a number of schools have been invited for the next game as well. It appears that the Hive Community Trust and Selco are working on the youth audience.