Re: Joey Grima : Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:33 pm  

kit80 wrote:

That would be the Joey Grima, assistance coach at Parramatta, Cronulla and St George? Park footie coach?

Assistant coach at an NRL club is a title given to a number of coaches, all responsible for different areas of the coaching as laid out by the Head Coach. We have 7 assistants at the NZ Warriors as well as 4 Physio's.......Grima was an utter failure at London during his tenure and let's face it, he knew he was out of his depth so he jumped. If he hadn't, Hughes would have had to have acted sooner or later........

Jamie Soward brought enthusiasm to the team and that was brilliant at the end of 2013, but taking on Grima based on one blokes recommendation is classic David Hughes. It's how he employed Blanchard and MacKay

SL. Played 16, Lost 15 won 1
Friendly P 3 Lost 3
Championship P 3 Lost 2 Won 1

Total 22 games and 2 wins.

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:56 am  

And I'm sure that if you pop down and let the Warriors under-20's coach know he's a park footie coach he'll be OK with that - which is what Joey was primarily doing as I understand it. I also believe he was recommended by Jamie Soward. I know he inherited a scratch squad with no pre-season in SL, which I doubt Wayne Bennett could have done a lot with. As a note, we beat Skolars in the friendly, so 1 from 3.

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:13 am  

Joey did seem to be out of his depth. To be fair he inherited a squad in SL that was full of talent but thrown together at the last minute so had missed pre season fitness and skills training.

On the flip side some people are good at being assistants (coaches) and struggle with the step up to head coach where you pick up additional duties including managing a number of coaches, press conferences, contract issues, interacting with the club board, creating a club culture and tone...........

He was a nice guy with a high moral standing and probably a very good choice to work with youngsters.

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:24 am  

Jim Pooley wrote:

I'd actually put it down to Steve Devonshire myself.....the level of 2-way dialogue since he's been back is the best since the 2007 season.

Of course you put it down to Steve Devonshire, but that says nothing about who at the club interacts with the fans, and everything about how you interact with the club. Your relationship is an entirely virtual one, so you will only see the interaction via electronic media. You will claim to be able to comment on the match day experience because you read match reports and watch highlights. But they won't tell you who was out on the pitch after the game encouraging players to walk over and acknowledge the fans after many years of that not happening. They won't tell you was encouraging the players to come into the bar to talk and engage with the fans after several years of that not happening. And let me give you a clue, it wasn't Steve Devonshire and it wasn't a cabbage, it was Joey.

Jim Pooley wrote:

Let's just agree to disagree on how and why this re-engagement happened.

So of course when you realise you're out of your depth you resort to deflection tactics. Because "let's agree to disagree" actually means "of damn it, I can't really argue about how people behave on matchday because I'm not there"

Jim Pooley wrote:

the players AND THE COACH have no excuses for it.....he was out of his depth.

I reserved judgement on his coaching abilities because he wasn't there long enough. And I still reserve judgement.

Jim Pooley wrote:

Come on. There's only a handful of you

And so we get to your latest obsession, that we are all a cosy little clique with David Hughes. I'll repeat what I said before, which you deliberately ignored because it was inconvenient. David Hughes doesn't come in the bar. He has no idea who I am. He has no idea who most of the membership holders are. If we didn't have Broncos shirts on he'd probably assume we were involved with Barnet FC.

Jim Pooley wrote:

You've probably heard it already, but the story of how the final disengagement between players and fans happened was when Powell asked Mackay if the players could be excused going into the bar after games and after asking Hughes, permission was given.

So I talk about who helped re-engage with the fans, and you go back to talking about who stopped it in the first place. Let me spell this out for you. We know who stopped the engagement with the fans. WE WERE THERE. WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN EYES. Repeating it ad infinitum informs no-one and will change nothing that has already gone. Powell and Mackay are long gone, why are you still indulging in Gustalgia?

Jim Pooley wrote:

Hughes employed MacKay and Powell.........the prosecution rests M'lud!

Prosecution for what???? I praised Joey Grima for helping re-engage the fans and you come up with an utter irrelevance. It's not relevant to what I wrote, it's not relavant to the thread.

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:09 pm  

So.....to clarify. You are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? You are not one ofva comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
All I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:29 pm  

Jim Pooley wrote:

So.....to clarify. You are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? You are not one ofva comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
All I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing

That's not what I said, you have twisted my words to suit your own agenda. As usual.

Re: Joey Grima : Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:19 pm  

Perry wrote:

That's not what I said, you have twisted my words to suit your own agenda. As usual.

Yes it is. here we go AGAIN!
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Perry wrote:

I reserved judgement on his coaching abilities because he wasn't there long enough. And I still reserve judgement.

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Perry wrote:

Your relationship is an entirely virtual one, so you will only see the interaction via electronic media. You will claim to be able to comment on the match day experience because you read match reports and watch highlights.

I responded:

Jim Pooley wrote:

So.....to clarify. You are adamant that grima wasn't at the club long enough to be judged as a coach, but you 100% put down the reconnection with fans as his doing? You are not one of a comparative handful of remaining fans but consider your opinion stronger than nine because you are there.
All I'll say is that if this reconnection is so good and you're not a clique, then how come the other 3,000 missing fans haven't flocked back? Grimas job was to coach, then select and coach a squad of professional rugby league players and in that he 100% failed.....everything else is just window dressing

I've underlined the relevant bits that you accuse me of twisting....the last sentence is an observation made from the facts available, as in we're down shed loads of fans and he won 2 competitive games in 19 meaning he wasn't a very good coach.......not a case of me mis-representing anything.

I can dance this dance all day and night with you. What gets your back up was that regardless of the repetitiveness and negativity of my posts, I was spot on in my predictions. Long term fans of the club, with 3+ times the years I have are declaring that this is it for them, but you'd rather scream loud and accuse me of lying rather than accept that I was and am right in this instance. Go on.....complain to a moderator. It's all your good for.

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 16, 2015 9:48 pm  

Jim Pooley wrote:

Go on.....complain to a moderator. It's all your good for.

Go on, cause me of something I've never done and then talk down to me with an emoji as usual. Oh look. you already have.

Re: Joey Grima : Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:57 pm  

Perry wrote:

Go on, cause me of something I've never done and then talk down to me with an emoji as usual. Oh look. you already have.

1. You incessantly continue along the lines of "gutterfax = personal abuse" when in fact, other than maybe a dozen times in 20,000 = posts he did no such thing....but you do so hoping toattract the attention of a passing moderator. So you do whine to the authorities!
2. You resort to "patronising comments" about me not being there so not knowing, ignoring the facts that I have called pretty much everything spot on since 2009 in regards to the club and it's failings, so yes, I will talk down to you.
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Re: Joey Grima : Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:23 am  

Jim Pooley wrote:

1. You incessantly continue along the lines of "gutterfax = personal abuse" when in fact, other than maybe a dozen times in 20,000 = posts he did no such thing....but you do so hoping toattract the attention of a passing moderator. So you do whine to the authorities!
2. You resort to "patronising comments" about me not being there so not knowing, ignoring the facts that I have called pretty much everything spot on since 2009 in regards to the club and it's failings, so yes, I will talk down to you.
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