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dally messenger wrote:
was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.

Rob from Erith wrote:
Which failed rebrand are you referring to? The H********s one was hardly a rip roaring success!

Broncos 2005 ave 3,918
Harlequins 2006 ave 4,917

25% up.....

Harlequins 2011 ave 3,124
Broncos 2012 ave 2,807

10% down

spot the difference
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Hi Gutterfax,

I am wondering whether your season one data includes the double header in which over 12,000 fans were counted as present.

That would be pretty much the difference explained for year one.

Comparing the years is also not necessarily comparing like with like unless you discount results/league position.

We have dropped from 7th to 9th, stayed at 9th, then dropped to 11th, then 13th, then bottom for most of 2012 before Tony Rea saw us finish the season in 12th.

Whilst away support has certainly dropped for London, with Catalans eating into the leisure £ for the once-a-year Northerner trip and then a recession that has gone on for 5 years.

It sounds all excuses, but the reality is that 1,000-2,000 could sometimes come from the likes of Wigan and Bradford plus the Hull clubs and I'm not sure that is still the case.

There are some similarities in that we failed to win at home for the first five games of each of the first two years following each of the rebrands. Whilst our Landlord won all its games in the first year 2006 at home and has since seemed to be playing European Rugby etc since then.

I honestly believe that the Twickenham Stoop has connotations in player and supporter minds given that we have only tended to win three or four games per year in it and that we have little or no home advantage playing there. I feel much more positive away from home.

It is irrational but I feel that the ground opposite is like a Spectre looming over the Stoop and that we are overshadowed by our landlord to the point that the Rugby £ is spent only in one place.

I have nothing against West London but feel that the football demographic is much more relevant to our game rather than a different rival sport, so Brentford or whatever would work for me.

I will be controversial and say that Gillingham would also work for me, because if the Rugby League community did get behind the club that would be better than having no community at all as we do now.

If we could get a council with us, a non direct rival club competing for the same £ and a community surely that would be better than now

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dally messenger wrote:
was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.

remove the double header and replace it with the previous average for Hudds of 2,860 and we still saw an INCREASE of 8% in fans year 1 as Quins RL.....Hardly a fail.
Then there's the fact that we had a new investor in 2006, one with ambition and belief in what could be achieved.....and a Rugby League CEO who had worked wonders down in Croydon and a new Landlord who at least made the right noises.

compare it to the 2011-2012 seasons....
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Life is pretty simple: You do stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works.

gutterfax wrote:
Broncos 2005 ave 3,918
Harlequins 2006 ave 4,917

25% up.....

Harlequins 2011 ave 3,124
Broncos 2012 ave 2,807

10% down

spot the difference


and in 2007 the average was 3,395 a drop of 1,522 people on the previous year therefore 31% down. Hardly stunning progress or evidence of a successful rebrand and no Gus in sight.
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Life is pretty simple: You do stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works.

And as for Esher as a ground, you would need to move the pitch if you wanted 4 stands and it's designated as Green Belt, which may prove problematic.
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We were in an eminently preferable position then compared to where we are now. We also had a better atmosphere and more songs. I am sick of singing the monotone drone that is our only 'chant'


Well don't bloody sing it then!!
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gutterfax wrote:
Broncos 2005 ave 3,918
Harlequins 2006 ave 4,917

25% up.....

Harlequins 2011 ave 3,124
Broncos 2012 ave 2,807

10% down

spot the difference


Now r u including the 12,000 that supposedly watched our home game with Huddersfield in 2006? Cos that would be a bit cheeky wouldn't it? I'm not claiming that the new London rebrand has worked, I'm bitterly disappointed that it hasn't as I loathed our incarnation as H********s, but as you have fondly told us the only time we grew our crowds in the SL era was as Broncos at Brentford! Even your own figures show our gates falling from 2006 to 2011! I spotted that difference ok thanks!
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Rob from Erith wrote:
Now r u including the 12,000 that supposedly watched our home game with Huddersfield in 2006? Cos that would be a bit cheeky wouldn't it?
Yes he is. If you use a reasonable estimate of 4500 for that game, the season average comes down to about 4350. So that's more than half of his +25% gone, There was also the one-off effect of the 8213 attendance for the highly publicised season opener game v. Saints.
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dally messenger wrote:
was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have


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You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.

BroncOnIon wrote:
Yes he is. If you use a reasonable estimate of 4500 for that game, the season average comes down to about 4350. So that's more than half of his +25% gone,
...I've already covered this and shown we still had an increase...

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There was also the one-off effect of the 8213 attendance for the highly publicised season opener game v. Saints.

...so there was no reasonable expectation of a "one off" for the first game back as the Broncos......


I am quite frankly stunned at the amount of people (more than 1) who are prepared to defend the club at the moment....each to their own I suppose, but 1,136 v a french team in 2013 compared to 9,638 v a French team 1n 1996 speaks volumes for the "progress" made by the club :CRAZY:
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gutterfax wrote:
...I've already covered this and shown we still had an increase...

...so there was no reasonable expectation of a "one off" for the first game back as the Broncos......
Who said there wasn't?

I am quite frankly stunned at the amount of people (more than 1) who are prepared to defend the club at the moment....each to their own I suppose, but 1,136 v a french team in 2013 compared to 9,638 v a French team 1n 1996 speaks volumes for the "progress" made by the club :CRAZY:

Some of us (at least 1) are simply interested in ensuring that facts are accurate. I could go on, but I'll leave that to you.
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