Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:40 pm  

Paddock Punter wrote:

And some people are so in love with themselves and the club that they will blindly follow. London Lemings now there's a rebrand!

Or how about London Luddites as a rebrand for those insistent on living in the past.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:48 pm  

I don't think anybody is living in the past, just no confidence in the LB management and their track record. I suspect behind all the rosy glow of the hive is to prepare for the championship and try and build again in the future.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 4:50 pm  

daftdad wrote:

I don't think anybody is living in the past, just no confidence in the LB management and their track record. I suspect behind all the rosy glow of the hive is to prepare for the championship and try and build again in the future.

I see what you're saying, it's just by getting behind the team and wishing the best with what we have will only benefit us. Take a look at Crystal Palace FC in footy. Nailed on for relegation at the beggining of the season, now with new management and an admirable positive fanbase support, they could be making the great escape.

Our constant negativity will automatically rub off on the players, who may not even try new techniques due to being hounded by the crowd. I want to see some invention and creativity from Moore, Bishay and the rest and the positive outlook and environment will help them.

So lets drop what's happened beforre and utilise the intimate surroundings of the lush Hive and make the most of this season! We can do it! Constant baraging and negativity will soon turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Lets do this Broncos!

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:19 pm  

I don't think the crowd is the problem, wasn't last year and the season was poor. I would expect any london team to give 100% and would expect this effort from the youth without question. The problem is sitting at the top table and takes with it a lot of baggage especially the way staff at LB was treated and a lot of the youth were around then and will have had first hand experience of the crap which occurred last season.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 5:45 pm  

markrammond wrote:

We used to pay Harlequins Rugby Union Club £25,000 per game.

I have seen the EXACT figures for the Stoop and regardless of what you have been "spoon fed", it wasn't 25k a game.

markrammond wrote:

They also pocketed the bar takings. They charged a fiver for parking and creamed off whatever else they could with rip-off vendors placed within the Stadium wanting the best part of six quid for a basic takeaway out of a burger van with a polystyrene tray. Don't forget that the Bar charged over £4 a pint to drink a very limited selection of beers out of a plastic glass with more or less nowhere to sit in the main bar.

This rant has more to do with pricing than anything else......they sold it, we bought it. I see that the arrangements at the hive are close to identical, but according to you, are some how "better for the club"......they sell it, fans buy it, we get nothing from it.

markrammond wrote:

We used to train a public park and could not access many of the more advanced facilities that were available to their own club.

It was Harlequins RL decision to move out of the stoop administration offices and to begin training at the park......

markrammond wrote:

We now pay Barnet FC £0 per game.

Incorrect. We pay an overall rental agreement which includes use of the stadium and the office space at underhill as well as the pitch there. Like the Stoop, we have access to their gym WHEN WE'VE BOOKED TIME IN IT. Big bad nasty Union club askes tenants to book time needed in gym/treatment rooms.......

markrammond wrote:

True, they pocket the bar takings.

and the food and everything else that the stoop took.......

markrammond wrote:

They charge £1 for parking

...pricing for the fans

markrammond wrote:

and charge reasonable prices and have a fully stocked bar with a wide range of food and drink at fair prices.

pricing for the fans again...and I notice you've gone from actually naming a price to "reasonable"

markrammond wrote:

If Kleanthous makes some money from the deal that's great,

He is already making money. He's being paid for offices he wasn't using, he is being paid for a pitch and facilities that will generate cash for his bars and food and he is being PAID BY THE RFL to market us.

markrammond wrote:

it might entice him in to take over, which is something the club badly needs.

I could TAKE OVER and run the club better......what we need is an investor with a plan. This guy has admitted to already dropping the ball....he could do more he has said!

markrammond wrote:

We now have effectively our own Stadium as a training ground and one for match days fully stocked with good facilities and nothing is off limits.

You are GUS and I want my fiver. That is utter spin and if you can't see that you need your journalistic licence revoked

markrammond wrote:

If people are desperate to put something in, then all the players are available for sponsorship and this will go to the Broncos. Last time I checked only Will Lovell and Matt Cook were sponsored.

CHARITY? That's your solution is it?

markrammond wrote:

I will certainly be putting in as much as I can afford to help make the deal work, that is for sure.

Nobody has suggested anyone shouldn't support the club.....which is what you are alluding to here. I'll buy the shirts if and when they are available and if they ship overseas.....but 1,000 replica shirts ain't gonna solve out woes.

markrammond wrote:

I suspect some commentators on here would be happy for the club to go providing it takes Gus also and will complain whatever happens,

actually, I want the club to do well, with or without GUS......

markrammond wrote:

but true support is not a one time thing it is an all time thing.

.....and you are acting like a lemming mate. I support the club but I WONT SWALLOW THAT BOLLOX YOU'RE PEDDLING.......doesn't make me less of a supporter than you, just means I have a modicum of common sense about me.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:02 pm  

daftdad wrote:

I don't think the crowd is the problem, wasn't last year and the season was poor. I would expect any london team to give 100% and would expect this effort from the youth without question. The problem is sitting at the top table and takes with it a lot of baggage especially the way staff at LB was treated and a lot of the youth were around then and will have had first hand experience of the crap which occurred last season.

Hmm. Hard to tell re:crowd factor. Saracens players have said how much of a positive difference it is playing at a near 3/4 full 10,000 Stadium@Barnet Copthall Allianz Park, than a quarter full 20,000 stadium at Vicarge Road, Watford FC. They have mentioned how much of a motivator it is to see and hear the crowd in the intimate smaller Stadium.

Perhaps this factor could work for us. Of course, any Professional Sports team you expect 100% effort. However, with a young team who can get overawed by the names on opposing team sheets, perhaps the added mental support of seeing a crowd backing them with support, could bring the best out of their potential.

But yeh, I totally agree about the loss of immense youth coaches and the baggage that has happened. Almost a catch 22. Cut our nose and spite our face, or get behind the team and avoid relegation and rebuild.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:18 pm  

Mark you should have asked why the forum was held the same day as the skolars game and why it was not before the opening game so many more fans including myself who live far to far away to come down to this forum could attend. If the club feel they want to succeed and realise they have been wrong and they want to put it right they need to get the basics right. This is not a hate Gus or anything else posting it is a matter of fact. To catch the larger audience you sell yuorself, you dont have a fans forum of which only internet users are aware of and you dont alienate any fans by putting on forums when the vast majority cant attend. Its obvious when you hold them for the select few who can attend they will get a great feed back as it will mainly be fans like yourself who attend.

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:29 pm  

The problem is gutters you are not here and you are not running the club and are never likely to.
You have seen the EXACT figure for the stoop, so what is it?
Bar prices, yep I will give you a reasonable price, decent coffee double espresso £1.80 2 and half at the stoop so yep I see that as reasonable prices
FACT quins rl/broncos were not granted use of all the facilities at the stoop on match days.
how much is he being paid by the rfl to market us?
We have always had player sponsorship, most clubs do it? whats wrong with it?
You call someone a lemming and say they are swallowing bollox that's not what it is at all! its called being an optimist! if we all took your view good god it would be depressing.
WE GET IT! its not gonna be easy, yes we know staying up will shock all the pundits, we know the hive is not the perfect solution, but without it staying up would not be an issue as we would not be here

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 6:43 pm  

rose tinted, there was no skolars game!! it was a training session not a game.
Have the forum on a game day! so TR tood in front of us and answered questions, what would you prefer, he is stood in front of us the fans or focusing on the game?
What are the conference facilities being used for prior to the game on 22nd? Their is already summat going on that is for the benefit of London Rugby League in general by the way.
Trust me the forum was not just for those "select few" as you put, in fact the air was sucked from the room when paddock appeared!!
The club, that means DH/TK/Gus/TR acknowledged that communication was key, but what do you want them to do come knocking at your door! the forum.
You knew about the forum, why did you not ask the questions by email as suggested

Re: Fans Forum 8th February : Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:00 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Incorrect. We pay an overall rental agreement which includes use of the stadium and the office space at underhill as well as the pitch there. Like the Stoop, we have access to their gym WHEN WE'VE BOOKED TIME IN IT. Big bad nasty Union club askes tenants to book time needed in gym/treatment rooms....... .

This is not correct. the rent of Underhill is not related to the use of the Hive for first team games. Underhill has it's own gym and treatment rooms that are sole use of the Broncos so they do not have to book facilities in the same way that Barnet Fc and London Bees have to. They have been given an allocation of time on the 4G pitches in the run up to their first game.

I know you want to bash TK for receiving money to cover his costs and potentially to make a profit from it. Any profit made will be put back into the Hive and isn't going into anyone's pocket as you seem to be suggesting. Underhill was still making money through events and party bookings at the Durham suite and by renting out the pitch, both of these revenues have been lost by Broncos taking over the site so it seems fair to me that the loss of revenue is covered, especially as it is Hive groundstaff who maintain the facilities for the Broncos to use.