Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:39 pm  

J buzza you are joking I assume?

Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:12 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

J buzza you are joking I assume?

You assume wrong. My understanding was that ruck simply constitutes the players involved in the tackle and subsequent play the ball. Once a tackle is complete (i) the player in possession cannot be moved from the point where the tackle is effected and (ii) the tackled player must be immediately released and not be touched until the ball is in play. The only thing I am aware of that affects how long players have to release once the tackle is completed is if the tackle is deemed dominant. Does that still exist ? I don't know that I have noticed refs calling it.

Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:21 pm  

If an attacking player has won the ruck, the attacker will get a quick ptb, if the defender has won the ruck he will be rewarded with longer time to release.
So yes
Surrender and dominant tackles are different. You will hear surrender more than dominant.

There is also the attempt to regain there feet
Watch london players! Even if they win the ruck, eg moving fwd landing on knees and elbows it’s very unusual they try to get to there feet quick.

The game against Wigan, it was a definite ploy from London to push the boundaries to test the ref, soon as they got the warning it stopped. Inexperience with some london players is obvious at times, they don’t even try to stand! If they did they force the refs hand.

Classic example was leeds game in the 8s Dixon made 40 mtrs, got tackled, defender held on, why no penalty? Dixon made no attempt, if he had, chances are that would have been penalty and yellow card

Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:23 pm  

Statistics show london and Catalans get penalised more!
Facts show on Sunday against Wigan london got penalised less! Discuss!

Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:47 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

Statistics show london and Catalans get penalised more!
Facts show on Sunday against Wigan london got penalised less! Discuss!

One swallow doesn't make it Spring..... across the season we will be one of the two most pinged sides in SL, with Catalan being the other.

Re: Wigan : Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:47 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

if the defender has won the ruck he will be rewarded with longer time to release.

Is that something the refs use judgement on (i.e. make up as they go along) because as far as I can see it isn't covered in the rules.

Re: Wigan : Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:42 am  

The point is dog, this thread is the wigan game. Fact in that game london got penalised less than wigan.
Buzza, yes the decision on the tackle is the refs call, no they are not making it up. There are lots of things that are not in the rules!

Re: Wigan : Fri Mar 08, 2019 10:13 am  

I remember years back on Sky Phil Clarke talked about this issue and he was quite clear about it - every single season those London & Catalans get awarded less penalties than - and at the same time get penalised more than - every other team in SL. Clarke said the clubs had raised it with the RFL (Stuart Cummings was in charge at the time - awful ref, awful refs boss and awful pundit) and he admitted it was happening every season but said there was nothing they could do about it. They didn't even want to look at it to see why it was happening.

But sure, you can talk about one game where it went the other way and London got more penalties.

Re: Wigan : Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:16 pm  

northernbloke wrote:

Buzza, yes the decision on the tackle is the refs call, no they are not making it up. There are lots of things that are not in the rules!

But the rules clearly do say that the tackled player shall be immediately released. So refs are making their own interpretation of when the tackled player must be released based on their view of who has won the ruck. This certainly leads to inconsistency and possibly for bias.

Re: Wigan : Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:15 pm  

Buzza, it may say that, but the way the laws are applied reward good play and are applied appropriately.

The law on tackle may say immediately, actually sometimes that’s not physically possible. So that law cannot be applied 100%
So how quickly a player has to stand,is at the refs call! Yes they reward good defence,yes they reward good attack. If you don’t like it, that’s unfortunate, it’s the game.
So yes it’s how the referee interpreters each tackle to make the call! They do it through training, through experience and common sense, if that’s making it up in your view, then yep they make it up!
As long as they do the same for both teams the same then that’s all you can ask for.