: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:41 pm  

well said Barry

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:46 pm  

rosetintedspecs wrote:

After reading these boards for years I came to my first game on Sunday and thought it was great. I will be back on Saturday. I have to say it was all the negative comments from people like Lister that put me off. Why does he persist in this. What is his problem. Why does he berate everything the club does as a negative. This is good news and would have taken a massive amount of work I doubt it dropped in their lap. Why don't the club get a pat on the back for a job well done. Don't drive potential fans away with constant moaning and negativity.

You are that obsessed with me? Why are you so obsessed? Very sad. I suppose I am the only person who dares say anything bad? Or the only persons posts you choose to see. I berate everything the club does as negative? Very selective reading once more. Take a closer look at my posts lately, and dare to jump off the bandwagon.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:47 pm  

Briali1 wrote:

well said Barry

What a surprise, Briali1 in his/her weekly post backing up someone criticising me.



(Unless PP is Barry, where I would possibly agree)

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:08 pm  

DAVE

ITS...

NOT....

ALL.....

ABOUT.....

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you're gonna use the info, then use the context!

P+O sponsoring a team in one of Europe's largest ports - makes sense!
Parasol - i explained the MD of Parasol is a VP at Rovers - makes sense!
Vesta - i couldnt explain (wind farm in Warrington?)

As for not being major players in their relative markets. I stand by that comment!

Parasol - a PAYE Umbrella scheme...........who had heard of them?
Vestas - wind energy................who had heard of them?
Leeds Permanent...............hardly the biggest Building Society in the UK!
P+O is up with Stena, Norfolk Line and SeaFrance
The List carries on!

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:17 pm  

I work in sports marketing, its my job.
I know exactly why people wont sponsor Quins RL.
I know exactly why this has happened and why St Marys is a decent (but not perfect) tie up.

EFH why dont sponsors want any involvement with Quins. This is not my field Im just curious.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:25 pm  

As an outsider, I think this deal could be a good one for Quins. You say you are struggling to get local support? Well, you now have a new pool open to you of potential local supporters and through it a channel to communicate to a greater local base (given that universities are always putting themselves about). If you feature on their homepage as a regular item that won't be a bad thing at all and in fact would give Quins better exposure through their shirt sponsor than Saints gets through theirs!

I think your board may have been quite clever, tying in sponsorship with spreading the word about the club. Just because St Mary's isn't (yet) internationally known does not mean the deal will not be of value to the club and I'm sure that will play out in time. You also have the guarantee that your shirt sponsor will not go bust midway through the season like Earth did (former Saints shirt sponsor).

On the point about Saints. Pilkington is actually global but (sadly for St Helens peeps) was taken over by a Japanese company a couple of years ago. It was born and brought up in St Helens and invented glass processes such as the stuff you find in your car windscreens and at present self-cleaning glass (the Activ part of it). However, until it became part of a Japanese conglomorate, Pilks didn't once sponsor Saints. It employed half the town at one time but opted to support union (including running the Pilkington Cup). I think Pilks Activ is the biggest sponsor we have ever had. Most of our sponsors are local and most of our shirt sponsors have been local (couldn't get much more local than, say, St Helens Glass! Before that went bust, obviously)

Personally, I'd prefer St Mary's College to Mecca Bingo anyday! Even if Mecca is recognised nationally. Imagine having that logo on your shirts? And the capacity for pi$$ taking is just, well, unlimited!

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:31 pm  

An astute post

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:45 pm  

ExiledFromHull wrote:

DAVE

ITS...

NOT....

ALL.....

ABOUT.....

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you're gonna use the info, then use the context!

P+O sponsoring a team in one of Europe's largest ports - makes sense!
Parasol - i explained the MD of Parasol is a VP at Rovers - makes sense!
Vesta - i couldnt explain (wind farm in Warrington?)

As for not being major players in their relative markets. I stand by that comment!

Parasol - a PAYE Umbrella scheme...........who had heard of them?
Vestas - wind energy................who had heard of them?
Leeds Permanent...............hardly the biggest Building Society in the UK!
P+O is up with Stena, Norfolk Line and SeaFrance
The List carries on!

So now its in their relative markets and if we haven't heard of them they are still small businesses even if they turn over millions?

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:52 pm  

And curse the businesses advertising on a Super League club's jersey in a bid to gain a bit of exposure.

There have been some very interesting points raised in this thread, especially by SaintsFan, and i'm starting to see some benefits. Tts just a shame ExiledInHull has to spoil it with such drivel.

: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:59 pm  

I'd be amazed if any money is involved in this, but it is still better than nothing and not a bad move in the circumstances. Let's look at the facts, recent main sponsors, going back from most recent:

Sports Cafe / Workplace - owner's businesses, just a way of getting his investment counted as turnover for the salary cap calculations, and him getting some value out of something he really did for altruistic reasons
Streetwise sports - just a way of getting a better kit deal with Carlotti (same business)
Bartercard - a zero money down deal, pure contra arrangement with Barterpoint credits given... no doubt done because we couldn't sell the sponsorship that season
Virgin - owner's business, again on the shirt in the absence of ability to sell to anyone else, then latterly as part of the exit deal David Hughes cut with Richard Branson, with a thick dollop of "do the right thing" guilt
Fosters - probably a small cash sum plus beer supply contra arrangement, aimed at a market (Aussies) that wasn't really in our audience in any great way

So, long and the short of it? Looks like Quins/Broncos have not been able to sell the main sponsorship for a decade or so, so pretty unrealistic to expect an improvement on that now...

If you can't sell something, give it away in exchange for some value, whether charity (PR goodwill) or a local community organisation (longer-term development synergies). Maybe we might think of some better person to give the free slot to, but then we're not the ones having to get our backsides into gear to sort it out, so seems fair enough result to me all things considered - well done to the club.