Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:23 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Sorry, but Clubb does have a valid point IMHO.

Failure has become acceptable at the club....because he is willing to speak up about it is no reason for us to turn on him...Gower left for exactly the same reason...Soward sounds astonished at what is considered acceptable....

...the club is a mess and pointing the finger at a player who is prepared to tell it as it is, will not change anything!

Good Luck Clubby wherever you may end up....4 tries in RLWC game is something even Tony Rea can't take away from you

He has a point but is he part of the problem ?

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:26 pm  

jbuzza wrote:

He has a point but is he part of the problem ?

He may be a part of the problem now, but he wasn't a couple of years back....something has changed him and that something is what is killing the club from within.

Failure to accept mistakes have been made, but instead ploughing on regardless have killed this club.....nothing less than a total change from Full-back to CEO is going to turn it around in the required time.

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:30 pm  

jaybs wrote:

Fair assessment, Magic Superbeetle. I think some personalty clashes came into the equation?

Saints youngsters all seem to fall into one of three categories: the model professional (ie Roby, Makinson), the over enthusiastic puppy (ie Graham, Foster) or the egotist (ie Eastmond and from what I can gather Gaskell).

Ashe definitely falls into the over enthusiastic puppy, and if he can develop his body he'll be a good squad player for you guys (I'd suggest start with him on the wing for a few seasons ala Foster until he can be physical enough).

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:37 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

He may be a part of the problem now, but he wasn't a couple of years back....something has changed him and that something is what is killing the club from within.

Failure to accept mistakes have been made, but instead ploughing on regardless have killed this club.....nothing less than a total change from Full-back to CEO is going to turn it around in the required time.

They should watch Fight Club

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:25 pm  

jbuzza wrote:

They should watch Fight Club

No, they should sack Gus, Tony Rae and everyone else who has been rewarded with continued employment regardless of their continued failures.
TR is a failing coach of a failing team....he is the cause of the failure as it seems the same errors are being made week in week out. The fact he is still employed is down to the CEO, who himself, has failed in every stated aim made since Jan 14th 2011.....the fact the CEO is still employed is down to the Chairman who has little understanding of anything in the real world of sports/business management.

When I started posting on these boards, specifically about marketing, I was at best, an enthusiastic amateur. I am now a professional marketer and in the process of becoming a qualified business strategist.......but over the last 10 years there has been one constant at the club and that is the total and utter lack of understanding of how to run a business and how to market that business and it's product...I knew this as an enthusiastic amateur, but now as a professional it is screaming at me. I can't think of many businesses that have run at a 30%+ loss year in year out for 10 years and have never changed their strategy of business model and that are still in existence.....even other professional sports clubs try to change things when time are bad....but not London RL.

The buck doesn't stop with David Hughes by the way.....it stops firmly with the RFL for letting it get this bad.

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:46 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Sorry, but Clubb does have a valid point IMHO.

Failure has become acceptable at the club....because he is willing to speak up about it is no reason for us to turn on him...Gower left for exactly the same reason...Soward sounds astonished at what is considered acceptable....

...the club is a mess and pointing the finger at a player who is prepared to tell it as it is, will not change anything!

Good Luck Clubby wherever you may end up....4 tries in RLWC game is something even Tony Rea can't take away from you

I also think he has a valid point, BUT there are many ways of announcing it and he picked a bad one.

Maybe he was badly advised by an agent but saying it as the captain to Sky in the week before a big game was not on.

Also it was a 4 Nations game not WC

Re: Player movement thread : Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:48 pm  

richie166 wrote:

I also think he has a valid point, BUT there are many ways of announcing it and he picked a bad one.

Maybe he was badly advised by an agent but saying it as the captain to Sky in the week before a big game was not on.

It was better than the way the previous captain let it be known......

richie166 wrote:

IAlso it was a 4 Nations game not WC

what else is the 4 nations if it isn't the compacted version of the RLWC

Re: Player movement thread : Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:47 am  

richie166 wrote:

I also think he has a valid point, BUT there are many ways of announcing it and he picked a bad one.

Maybe he was badly advised by an agent but saying it as the captain to Sky in the week before a big game was not on.

Also it was a 4 Nations game not WC

He should have said that after he left, not while he was still employed by us. It probably also hadn't occurred to him that slagging off your current employer in public doesn't look good to a future potential one.

Re: Player movement thread : Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:38 am  

The Chronicler of Chiswic wrote:

He should have said that after he left, not while he was still employed by us. It probably also hadn't occurred to him that slagging off your current employer in public doesn't look good to a future potential one.

Sadly it says a lot about Tony, and many players these station, how they see themselves, often via agents and managers, feeding them hype.

There was talk about St Helens interest, but that has gone very quiet.

Re: Player movement thread : Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:39 pm  

Once Gary Wheeler is fully fit he'll be awesome, watched him play and he could see where defence was lacking and shot through.

Please keep Matty Cooke and Tommy Lee, 2 guys that seem to give their all EVERY game they play!