Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:13 pm  

Cruncher wrote:

:lol: I wondered how long it would be before that phrase turned up again, but even I didn't think it would reappear after one defeat.

By 'happy clappers' you of course mean posters whose views differ with yours (even though in the same breath you're preaching to us all that everyone is entitled to hold their own view )

But I'd be wary of using it too much. Remember how things turned out for the Happy Clappers when they supported IL against people like you for his decision to drop Noble and then appoint Maguire.

Oh deary me Crunchy. I would have thought that you would have learned by now that adding multiple smileys to your post doesn't actually mean that you are right......... If anything it aludes to your lack of vocabulary, but I digress.

I think we all know who the "happy clappers" are and what they represent.............

As for your use of the Noble situation, I stick by my view that the way IL handled Noble was nothing short of disgraceful. I am, of course delighted that the gamble with MM paid off, and have said so on many occasions.

Is that really the best you can do? "I am disappoint........."

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 pm  

Pieman wrote:

Bitcon works for Wane. I didnt see us play as bad last year...name the game for me and I may reconsider. How can you blame the player for being unfit and conditioned, if they have done what they have been told pre season, if not why are they playing? If they have been told what to do then it isnt there fault. Have you ever played the game? Again I didnt say Wane deserves the sack or didnt deserve the shot, but look at Madges first game and compare the difference...a coach can only be judged on his last game so lets do that as we cant do anything else.

Catalan at home, and away for that matter, are 2 that immediately spring to mind. There were other games such as against Castleford were we werent too hot either and when there was plenty of criticism on these boards.

I haven't blamed any player for being unfit, try reading what is wrote. You said about players being slow and unfit and I said why are you laying all the blame on Wane when Bitcon is the conditioner. Bitcon is the expert and as such Wane will delegate to Bitcon when it comes to conditioning or do you really think that Wane tells Bitcon what to do and how to do his job. If that is the case Bitcon may as well go home. Wane may have some input saying he wants x, y and z from the players but Bitcon is the one who would decide if this is achievable and if so how they would go about achieving it. This is a professional sports club not St Pats u12s were the coach does it all. You accused players of being unwilling but blame the coach for this. If a player does not show desire, commitment and motivation then I will certainly blame the player, not the coach. For your information, seeing as you are so interested, yes I have played the game, as well as coached for that matter, thanks for asking.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:52 pm  

Famous wrote:

Catalan at home, and away for that matter, are 2 that immediately spring to mind. There were other games such as against Castleford were we werent too hot either and when there was plenty of criticism on these boards.

I haven't blamed any player for being unfit, try reading what is wrote. You said about players being slow and unfit and I said why are you laying all the blame on Wane when Bitcon is the conditioner. Bitcon is the expert and as such Wane will delegate to Bitcon when it comes to conditioning or do you really think that Wane tells Bitcon what to do and how to do his job. If that is the case Bitcon may as well go home. Wane may have some input saying he wants x, y and z from the players but Bitcon is the one who would decide if this is achievable and if so how they would go about achieving it. This is a professional sports club not St Pats u12s were the coach does it all. You accused players of being unwilling but blame the coach for this. If a player does not show desire, commitment and motivation then I will certainly blame the player, not the coach. For your information, seeing as you are so interested, yes I have played the game, as well as coached for that matter, thanks for asking.

Catalans were very good against us and had virtually full strength teams too (not 8 missing), at the end of the year they were the leagues form team so a bit off par would have seen us dicked. So like I said how long has Wane had the job and been in training? IF he cannot judge the fitness levels until the first game then he hasnt used the pre season as it should have been used. He should have used it to asses the fitness and plays he has given them. Have we played a full strength team in the pre season to get the fitness levels of plays right? Is that the players or Bitcons fault?

Are you then blaming Bitcon for it? As you have passed the blame from now the players to the conditioner who is overseen from the head coach.

Then again, if you had played and coached like you said you would have know what I have just said known the coach has the full accountability.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:50 pm  

XBrettKennyX wrote:

Oh deary me Crunchy. I would have thought that you would have learned by now that adding multiple smileys to your post doesn't actually mean that you are right........"

No, but they're a good indicator of how ridiculous you think the previous post was.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:50 am  

The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:11 am  

Pieman wrote:

Catalans were very good against us and had virtually full strength teams too (not 8 missing), at the end of the year they were the leagues form team so a bit off par would have seen us dicked. So like I said how long has Wane had the job and been in training? IF he cannot judge the fitness levels until the first game then he hasnt used the pre season as it should have been used. He should have used it to asses the fitness and plays he has given them. Have we played a full strength team in the pre season to get the fitness levels of plays right? Is that the players or Bitcons fault?

Are you then blaming Bitcon for it? As you have passed the blame from now the players to the conditioner who is overseen from the head coach.

Then again, if you had played and coached like you said you would have know what I have just said known the coach has the full accountability.

We were dicked, as you so eloquently put it, by Catalan at home and were awful. Do you not think we were awful? Catalan also had people out. There were many matches last year were these boards were full of criticism of the team and Maguire. With your previous couple of replies I seriously think you struggle to grasp simple English and I dont know why why are trying to say things that I havent. You also obsessed with if I have played the game or not like you are some sort of expert, which you are plainly not, and i have to say your condescending attitude is more than a little pathetic too.

I am not blaming anyone for anything as I do not go into a mass panic after one game of the season. I have never blamed the players for their condition either which you have accused me of again even though I corrected you in my last post. You obviously do not grasp English too well. It is people like you blaming Wane for one thing after another, not me. I am simply saying that I fail to see how if you feel they are unfit then dont you think that instead of the very simplistic blame the coach routine that you should be aiming your flack at the conditioner, it isnt exactly rocket science. If You accuse players of being unwilling then why not blame the players? It was not Wane who dropped balls, fluffed moves, missed easy tackles, had an awful kicking game etc. Likewise we have played no less friendly matches with a full strength team than previous seasons. Reading the reactions on here you would have thought we would have lost our first game by 60 points.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:46 am  

Conroy wrote:

The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!

The over-reaction to it has been incredible.

God help us all if Leeds win on Saturday.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:58 am  

Guerrier wrote:

Conroy wrote:

The same thoughts as before the Hudds game. We'll be there or there abouts at the end of the season and as Leeds proved last season, anything can happen. We've lost one game FFS!!

The over-reaction to it has been incredible.

God help us all if Leeds win on Saturday.

It's a typical Wiganer reaction I'm afraid to say. We're all doomed, Wane out, bloody rubbish Wigan etc etc.

If we were to beat Leeds on Saturday and I was Kris Radlinski, I'd walk into the SS bar after the game stick my fingers up and say "not slagging me off now are you" and walk out. Some of the stick he was getting from so called fans of the sport (and therefore should understand it slightly better) was ridiculous.

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:45 am  

Famous wrote:

We were dicked, as you so eloquently put it, by Catalan at home and were awful. Do you not think we were awful? Catalan also had people out. There were many matches last year were these boards were full of criticism of the team and Maguire. With your previous couple of replies I seriously think you struggle to grasp simple English and I dont know why why are trying to say things that I havent. You also obsessed with if I have played the game or not like you are some sort of expert, which you are plainly not, and i have to say your condescending attitude is more than a little pathetic too.

I am not blaming anyone for anything as I do not go into a mass panic after one game of the season. I have never blamed the players for their condition either which you have accused me of again even though I corrected you in my last post. You obviously do not grasp English too well. It is people like you blaming Wane for one thing after another, not me. I am simply saying that I fail to see how if you feel they are unfit then dont you think that instead of the very simplistic blame the coach routine that you should be aiming your flack at the conditioner, it isnt exactly rocket science. If You accuse players of being unwilling then why not blame the players? It was not Wane who dropped balls, fluffed moves, missed easy tackles, had an awful kicking game etc. Likewise we have played no less friendly matches with a full strength team than previous seasons. Reading the reactions on here you would have thought we would have lost our first game by 60 points.

Wane is accountable....

Re: Peoples thoughts about the squad after a disappointing f : Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:59 am  

Conroy wrote:

It's a typical Wiganer reaction I'm afraid to say. We're all doomed, Wane out, bloody rubbish Wigan etc etc.

If we were to beat Leeds on Saturday and I was Kris Radlinski, I'd walk into the SS bar after the game stick my fingers up and say "not slagging me off now are you" and walk out. Some of the stick he was getting from so called fans of the sport (and therefore should understand it slightly better) was ridiculous.

Its not helped with everybody expecting an easy win with Hudds injuries, i think the players thought it would be easy too. Add to that people havent had any proper rugby to watch for months and it being the start of a new era and some people have jumped all over it. I get the feeling some of our fans enjoy it when things go wrong so they can have a good moan.

I didnt go in the SS bar, were people really giving Radlinski some grief? That is bang out of order.