Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:06 am  

Wane got it SLIGHTLY wrong.

I disagree with the sentiment that he shouldn't have rested players. For me that was the one of the few things that Maguire got wrong. He did rest players, but nowhere near as often as he should have. As previous posters said last season, perhaps with him knowing he was leaving and going to Souths he wasn't interested in blooding youngsters whereas Wane is. With the cup run including tough games vs Bradford, Wire, Saints and Leeds, the WCC, and exiles game, I do think we did look jaded towards the end of last season.

If Wane had rested 2 (possibly 3) and not 5 and we had won, everyone would have called it a masterstoke, he made a mistake and it backfired.

It still irks me that had we rested a full 17 against Crusaders in the last league game of last season and gone in fresh against Saints at home, the playoff's may have been that bit more manageable. Yes, as fans we suffer, but that truly was a 'nothing' game and could have easily been used as a weeks rest. We may not like seeing weakened teams, but winning the Grand Final is what is it all about, so if we drop points along the way, but
end up with the main prize then that is what Wane / Wigan must strive to achieve.

FWIW I'm not defending Wane, the jury is still out on him IMO. I really hope he does well, time will tell but he definately deserves his chance. To call for him to be sacked (OP) is ludicrous after 6 games in, when we have played some really good stuff thus far.

I don't know why, but I feel more confident than I did than this time last season.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:01 pm  

I cannot understand why wane does not admit his team selection was wrong at widnes.His comments on GMR that he would do it all again are disrespectful to Widnes and Wigan supporters. He does not seem to possess any man management skills. I understand that we need to blood our younger players but not 5 at once. Mr Wane needs to eat some humble pie. If he handledsthe players like he does the supporters we are definitely on the WANE!!

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:12 pm  

He won't do it again (at least not to that extent) and he won't admit he was wrong.

Why give people a stick to beat you with. Inside the dressing room i'm sure he knows and the senior players know he got it wrong but it will stay there and thats correct imo.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:20 pm  

shellman wrote:

I cannot understand why wane does not admit his team selection was wrong at widnes.His comments on GMR that he would do it all again are disrespectful to Widnes and Wigan supporters. He does not seem to possess any man management skills. I understand that we need to blood our younger players but not 5 at once. Mr Wane needs to eat some humble pie. If he handledsthe players like he does the supporters we are definitely on the WANE!!

He wasn't wrong. That team was good enough to win the game. It wasn't Wane who missed those tackles, or gave those needles penalties.
We gave away an 18 point lead.

But as I have pointed out we did the same under Maguire.

I just hope that the TEAM (including Wane) learns from the mistakes.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:03 pm  

shellman wrote:

I cannot understand why wane does not admit his team selection was wrong at widnes.His comments on GMR that he would do it all again are disrespectful to Widnes and Wigan supporters. He does not seem to possess any man management skills. I understand that we need to blood our younger players but not 5 at once. Mr Wane needs to eat some humble pie. If he handledsthe players like he does the supporters we are definitely on the WANE!!

To be honest, while I too feel Wane got it wrong in his selections at Widnes, the bit I've underlined is exactly the opposite of what I've been hearing. I've been told that his man management skills are as good as Maguire's, if not better.

He made a mistake last weekend, but some of these plucked-out-of-the-air accusations are getting a bit silly.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:11 pm  

Glad somebody pointed out that Wigan actually lost games under Maguire - not many but a couple of red face moments as well. I also agree that Wane has done the right thing by not saying he was wrong publicly.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:14 pm  

shellman wrote:

I cannot understand why wane does not admit his team selection was wrong at widnes.His comments on GMR that he would do it all again are disrespectful to Widnes and Wigan supporters. He does not seem to possess any man management skills. I understand that we need to blood our younger players but not 5 at once. Mr Wane needs to eat some humble pie. If he handledsthe players like he does the supporters we are definitely on the WANE!!

General concensus is that he made a mistake by resting a few too many key players at Widnes. Everyone at some point or other will make mistakes. Mistakes are a good thing if you learn from them and find ways to improve on what you did. We lost one league match due to that mistake, we can still top the league despite the loss, we can still go on and win the GF despite it. That one league defeat matters very little in the grand scheme of things for the season. It will much more likely benefit us. Losing as we did makes it less likely that the same approach will be followed later in the season. If for example we draw a weaker SL side or a championship side in the cup it will mean that although some players may be rested we will not see as many left out as we did at Widnes and so avoid an embarrassing cup exit. It also means that if injuries hit at the business end that those rookie players involved will have had at least one match at SL level already and will have experience of a tough, close fought encounter under their belts if they are called upon to play first team again.

SW has not said publicly that he thinks he was wrong or that he made a mistake but if he was to do so then he would be undermining the confidence of the players that took part. To do so would be as good as saying "these young lads aren't up to it, they won't be getting another go for ages" or criticising the efforts of the senior players on the park. What he did say showed dissapointment with the result and some aspects of the performance but gave encouragement and support to the players particularly the debutants and has told them that they will get other chances to impress if they work hard in training. That is what man management is all about. You criticise where necessary and also offer encouragement, support and praise when warranted. You make sure that people know and understand that making a mistake doesn't exclude them from having another go in the future. You also give them opportunities to develop their skills and performance. That's what SW did.

SW has said (in the Wigan Observer) that the players that were "rested" for the last game will be back in on Sunday and has spoken of making a couple of other changes to bring back first choice players from injury. London have the same record as Widnes but there is no talk of any more players being rested for that game with the strongest line up possible being the likely one. This suggests that he has learnt something from the experience and we will not see all but one of the key players rested at once again. Like anyone else SW doesn't need to publicise where he thinks he has made mistakes, he just needs to realise when he has and to learn from them. He seems to have done so in this instance and that is good enough for me.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:56 pm  

wiganermike wrote:

General concensus is that he made a mistake by resting a few too many key players at Widnes. Everyone at some point or other will make mistakes. Mistakes are a good thing if you learn from them and find ways to improve on what you did. We lost one league match due to that mistake, we can still top the league despite the loss, we can still go on and win the GF despite it. That one league defeat matters very little in the grand scheme of things for the season. It will much more likely benefit us. Losing as we did makes it less likely that the same approach will be followed later in the season. If for example we draw a weaker SL side or a championship side in the cup it will mean that although some players may be rested we will not see as many left out as we did at Widnes and so avoid an embarrassing cup exit. It also means that if injuries hit at the business end that those rookie players involved will have had at least one match at SL level already and will have experience of a tough, close fought encounter under their belts if they are called upon to play first team again.

SW has not said publicly that he thinks he was wrong or that he made a mistake but if he was to do so then he would be undermining the confidence of the players that took part. To do so would be as good as saying "these young lads aren't up to it, they won't be getting another go for ages" or criticising the efforts of the senior players on the park. What he did say showed dissapointment with the result and some aspects of the performance but gave encouragement and support to the players particularly the debutants and has told them that they will get other chances to impress if they work hard in training. That is what man management is all about. You criticise where necessary and also offer encouragement, support and praise when warranted. You make sure that people know and understand that making a mistake doesn't exclude them from having another go in the future. You also give them opportunities to develop their skills and performance. That's what SW did.

SW has said (in the Wigan Observer) that the players that were "rested" for the last game will be back in on Sunday and has spoken of making a couple of other changes to bring back first choice players from injury. London have the same record as Widnes but there is no talk of any more players being rested for that game with the strongest line up possible being the likely one. This suggests that he has learnt something from the experience and we will not see all but one of the key players rested at once again. Like anyone else SW doesn't need to publicise where he thinks he has made mistakes, he just needs to realise when he has and to learn from them. He seems to have done so in this instance and that is good enough for me.

Fair comment, and a good read.

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:41 pm  

The couple of players coming back from injury he mentions are probably Carmont and Richards.
The defeat could cost us as that's two points dropped against a team who will play Wire three time in the League. That six points in the bag for Wire. Best we could have hoped for was four, now it's two. Wire will no doubt do their points diff some good in the process of their three wins. Tony Smith, nor any other coach, will rest that number of players after seeing Wigan's result.
As almost everyone else has said, rest players by all means in one's and two's but not five at one time!

Re: Not joking , but Wane must go! : Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:47 pm  

Sorry, meant Carmont and Prescott, not Richards!