Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 7:24 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Firstly, wow what a game! I wish somebody with vision and financial backing could get a grip on the sport in this country because I'm a sports fanatic and there is nothing better than that!

As for Saints, you have to give them credit. Tonight is why I could never write them off. The play offs are a new comp and they have so much know how. They never get battered in a play off game and you have to nail down the coffin firmly. They're not the side they were quite clearly. Guys like Walmsley and Lomax look close to being done but they nearly squeezed through. I think Leigh likely give us a tougher game next week tbh because of what that will have taken out of Saints.

I think that's true. We'd have been cooked next week if we'd have gone through I think. We looked completely finished towards the end of that game, couldn't believe we managed to get over for the last try. Unfortunately, that GP period was poorly managed with some poor play from players that were clearly out on their feet

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 7:27 pm  

great game!!,Saints are in the past tense now they need new blood etc.
St Helens in the past would have found a way to win,said it 2 years ago with the players getting older and more prone to injuries they would struggle,Wigan are the more superior team now,In the club,players and the set up.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 8:56 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Firstly, wow what a game! I wish somebody with vision and financial backing could get a grip on the sport in this country because I'm a sports fanatic and there is nothing better than that!

As for Saints, you have to give them credit. Tonight is why I could never write them off. The play offs are a new comp and they have so much know how. They never get battered in a play off game and you have to nail down the coffin firmly. They're not the side they were quite clearly. Guys like Walmsley and Lomax look close to being done but they nearly squeezed through. I think Leigh likely give us a tougher game next week tbh because of what that will have taken out of Saints.

I didnt see last night's game, as a neutral (of sorts) do you think tonight was reffed differently to the regular season? No yellows and I think only one high tackle seemed surprising.

I was at the game so it felt different during.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:00 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I didnt see last night's game, as a neutral (of sorts) do you think tonight was reffed differently to the regular season? No yellows and I think only one high tackle seemed surprising.

I was at the game so it felt different during.

Well Liam Moore didn't seem to care about the ruck speed but thats the same every game he's in charge of.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:05 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I didnt see last night's game, as a neutral (of sorts) do you think tonight was reffed differently to the regular season? No yellows and I think only one high tackle seemed surprising.

I was at the game so it felt different during.

I thought it was reffed really well and well done the players, zero histrionics, I can only recall one bog standard lazy high tackle from Walmsley, penalty sufficient, play on.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 9:52 pm  

Good exciting game but the quality wasn't the best. Error rate and number of missed tackles show that. Wire will need to be 3 levels above that to cause KR problems

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Sep 28, 2024 10:13 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

I didnt see last night's game, as a neutral (of sorts) do you think tonight was reffed differently to the regular season? No yellows and I think only one high tackle seemed surprising.

I was at the game so it felt different during.

There wasn't anything really of note tonight that would've been adjudicated differently in the weekly rounds but last night saw Lafai not even penalised for a challenge very similar to the one which Vaughan got a red card and 3 games for only a few weeks ago. Now I'm glad it seems like they may give more leeway but all the same, that causes confusion.

One thing that did make me chuckle last night was Amor laying in to Darnell Macintosh for staying down. He was on Comms when Welsby stayed down at Leigh last week and funnily enough, he didn't seem concerned with it then.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:11 am  

MadDogg wrote:

Well Liam Moore didn't seem to care about the ruck speed but thats the same every game he's in charge of.

Saints got away with murder at times at the ruck it was that slow, but fair play to them if they can get away with it why not?

We did similar against Penrith in the WCC and Penrith didn’t adapt to it, just like last night Warrington didn’t adapt to that element of the game and how it was reffed on the night.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:42 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Firstly, wow what a game! I wish somebody with vision and financial backing could get a grip on the sport in this country because I'm a sports fanatic and there is nothing better than that!

As for Saints, you have to give them credit. Tonight is why I could never write them off. The play offs are a new comp and they have so much know how. They never get battered in a play off game and you have to nail down the coffin firmly. They're not the side they were quite clearly. Guys like Walmsley and Lomax look close to being done but they nearly squeezed through. I think Leigh likely give us a tougher game next week tbh because of what that will have taken out of Saints.

It's funny how people see things differently. Last night showed exactly why I've been saying all season that they weren't our main threat. Even with the majority of their players back and putting in the best performance of their season they still weren't good enough against the team that finished 3rd. Kudos to Saints for managing to put in a season's best performance when it mattered most but when that performance is yet another loss I think it says everything about where they currently are.

Saints were never our main threat in 2024 as they weren't in 2023. This "never write off the Saints" needs binning alongside "The Entertainers" tag. Neither are correct any more.

They'll be back. I have no doubt about that whatsoever. Whether that will be next season or not remains to be seen but there was never any doubt in my mind that it wasn't going to be this year and that proved to be spot on.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:50 am  

I agree, looking at that team sheet it was a strong one. Maybe they need to realise they aren't that great anymore, majority of their senior players are the wrong side of thirty and not getting any younger. Also I'm not sure any of their announced signings will change any of that.

Big few years for Saints management, will they come strong again quickly (history says they normally do) or will they go the other way like Leeds are doing with a decade in the wilderness. Both teams have a strong youth system in place (Saints arguably better than Leeds lately) and getting this right is paramount.