Forwards Watch 2023 : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:29 pm  

I enjoyed this thread last season and seeing how the forwards stacked up against each other statistically week in, week out as it developed some interesting discussions, so thought it was worth bringing back for this season.

Forwards Stats vs. Castleford 03/03/23

Singleton - 28 tackles, 3 missed, 83m gained in 9 carries, 9m average
Isa - 31 tackles, 2 missed, 73m gained in 10 carries, 7m average
Farrell - 34 tackles, 3 missed, 118m gained in 15 carries, 8m average
Smithies - 48 tackles, 5 missed, 67m gained in 6 carries, 11m average
Cooper - 22 tackles, 1 missed, 33m gained in 7 carries, 5m average
Ellis - 17 tackles, 0 missed, 85m gained in 9 carries, 10m average
Havard - 27 tackles, 1 missed, 122m gained in 15 carries, 8m average
KPP (limited mins) - 10 tackles, 1 missed, 6m gained in 2 carries, 3m average
Mago - 10 tackles, 0 missed, 35m gained in 5 carries, 7m average

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:50 pm  

Definitely some great figures from Farrell, Ellis and Havard but there has to be some perspective with the stats. Bench players should in theory be running at more fatigued defenders, different players will be asked to play different roles, off ball running isn't taken into account etc.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:51 pm  

A good combined effort. Havard just shows what a talent is. He hardly breaks sweat to knock out numbers like that and now it’s just about going to the next level. I’ve been impressed with Ellis this past 2 weeks. I’d like to see him pushing for starts and longer minutes.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:04 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Definitely some great figures from Farrell, Ellis and Havard but there has to be some perspective with the stats. Bench players should in theory be running at more fatigued defenders, different players will be asked to play different roles, off ball running isn't taken into account etc.

Oh of course, there are other factors at play but it is just a bit of fun and comparing some important stats.

Part of your point is why i think Singletons stats sre impressive especially compared to what we have seen from him in the past, as he started the game when we was under alot of pressure along with cooper. Havard is just a machine and is pumping out some serious numbers

NickyKiss wrote:

A good combined effort. Havard just shows what a talent is. He hardly breaks sweat to knock out numbers like that and now it’s just about going to the next level. I’ve been impressed with Ellis this past 2 weeks. I’d like to see him pushing for starts and longer minutes.

After reading the comments recently by people about Ellis playing at 13, i am very interested if this is ever going to be seen as an option. I have seen him play at 13 for St.George also and he played there frequently for them, funnily enough i was more impressed and excited for Mago when i had seen him in the NRL and just thought Ellis was a decent signing. But now i think Ellis was the better signing for us and seems to give us alot more, funny how things work out.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:07 am  

BoredWiganer wrote:

Oh of course, there are other factors at play but it is just a bit of fun and comparing some important stats.

Part of your point is why i think Singletons stats sre impressive especially compared to what we have seen from him in the past, as he started the game when we was under alot of pressure along with cooper. Havard is just a machine and is pumping out some serious numbers

After reading the comments recently by people about Ellis playing at 13, i am very interested if this is ever going to be seen as an option. I have seen him play at 13 for St.George also and he played there frequently for them, funnily enough i was more impressed and excited for Mago when i had seen him in the NRL and just thought Ellis was a decent signing. But now i think Ellis was the better signing for us and seems to give us alot more, funny how things work out.

The coaches really rate Ellis and off a similar exercise I did on the stats, need to get our more, he was out most effective Prop in 2022.

I’d like to see a comparison of the stats over a 2 month period.

Stats are really interesting in isolation to look at performances in individual games but to get the bigger picture obviously need more data.

Cas have in my opinion along with Trinity one of the weakest packs in SL this year so I’d expect good stats from those games. Hull KR bullied up in the forwards.

Will be really interesting this week as Cats usually have an aggressive combative pack so will be a better barometer of how things are shaping up.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:28 am  

Just had a look at the team stats and again in highlights the reliance we have on our backs and secondrows to make meters.

Marshy over 300m, King 166m and Faz 118.

Isa came in with a respectable 73, but again it has to be said this is all against one of, if not the worst pack in the league. I still thinks we need to replace Bateman mid season despite Isa's good form so that we can bring in a genuine meter eating secondrow that we currently lack to compliment Faz.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:37 am  

jonh wrote:

Just had a look at the team stats and again in highlights the reliance we have on our backs and secondrows to make meters.

Marshy over 300m, King 166m and Faz 118.

Isa came in with a respectable 73, but again it has to be said this is all against one of, if not the worst pack in the league. I still thinks we need to replace Bateman mid season despite Isa's good form so that we can bring in a genuine meter eating secondrow that we currently lack to compliment Faz.

Really impressed with how King manages to make metres even after contact. And his defence massively improved. He had a great tackle from marker and someone of his size showed some good reactions/agility. Still early days but he seems to be growing. If all goes well do we have anything in place to sign him on a permanent?

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:55 pm  

WWste wrote:

Really impressed with how King manages to make metres even after contact. And his defence massively improved. He had a great tackle from marker and someone of his size showed some good reactions/agility. Still early days but he seems to be growing. If all goes well do we have anything in place to sign him on a permanent?

As I understand it he won’t be returning to Wire is Powell is there.

He’s had a great start to his Wigan career but I’d like to see him for a few more months once the honey moon period wears off before committing to anything for 2024.

It’s a no brainer though if he continues like he is.

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:56 pm  

jonh wrote:

As I understand it he won’t be returning to Wire is Powell is there.

He’s had a great start to his Wigan career but I’d like to see him for a few more months once the honey moon period wears off before committing to anything for 2024.

It’s a no brainer though if he continues like he is.

Only issue will come is the contract amount. He’s on a killing at Warrington does he expect the same from else where

Re: Forwards Watch 2023 : Tue Mar 07, 2023 6:43 pm  

WWste wrote:

Only issue will come is the contract amount. He’s on a killing at Warrington does he expect the same from else where

Wire fans saying he is on a big contract doesn't equate to a massive salary. Wigan will pay what they think is a fair amount should King stay beyond this season.