Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:25 am  

The fact that a thread like this has even been started is embarrassing.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:35 am  

We are definitely much, much stronger in defence this year. We're five games in now, so this is not some kind of fluke.

Leeds were weakened tonight, but so were we - and yet they barely threatened until the last minute, when a Yorkshire referee decided they couldn't leave without having some points on the board.

Something has definitely happened in the off-season to change that aspect of the Wigan performance, and for that the club deserves full credit. We were scrappy tonight in the first half for sure - losing a half just before kick-off could hardly have helped with that - but in terms of tackling, we looked well nigh impregnable, and that's always what wins you matches.

Having been miserable at the start of the year because we seemed so disjointed, I'm increasingly heartened. Dogged, hard-fought wins are still wins. At thei time of this writing, there are only two of us left in the league on full points, and that will be sorted out next week. Who could have predicted that at the start of the year?

I understand that non-fluid attacking play is frustrating - and there are one or two Wigan players who seem to be guilty of cocking things up time and again - but maybe that just needs a bit more practise. The good thing is that the hard work is being done. This time last year, it wasn't.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:03 am  

Robbo wrote:

I'll be honest at 6-0 with all the field position/possession we had and how easily we were making yards I was disappointed to not have more points on the board. Of course we had one of our main pivots missing so it was always going to be a bit disjointed but had it not been for a bit of a Leeds collapse in the second half that lack of finishing in the final 20 could have come back to haunt us.

I was impressed with our Defence, Our discipline also seems like it has improved. and the postive is that when you consider we had the likes of Williams and Tomkins missing from an attacking point of view it can only get better.

as far as tonight is concerned we did what we needed to do to get the 2 points. Completely dominated Leeds up the middle. I've never seen us make such easy yards bringing the ball from our own line.

The Leeds collapse as you put it was caused by the pressure put on them by Wigan in the first half. I said to the Mrs at half time if I were a betting man I'd put mind on Wigan pulling away in the last 20. If we were a bit more clinical then we would have scored 50 last night. I'm not too concerned about that, what's important as the players are running decent lines and creating chances.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:11 am  

MadDogg wrote:

The fact that a thread like this has even been started is embarrassing.

Tell me why you feel entertained, explain how you think our attack is great, the last third of last season and the start of this has been like watching a Brian noble team. Explain to me how a team that's has the same core of players and same coach can look so clueless and disjointed. I'd love you to explain that to me.

It's only the fact everyone else seems marginally worse than we are that these sub-par performances see us 5 from 5 and why the Aussies are light years in front of us. What is embarrassing is that fact we can play this badly in attack and not lose a game, it's embarrassing for SL as a whole.

If we were 5 from 5 and playing some great rugby I'd be on here commenting. If we were average I'd probably say nothing, the fact we seem to have no idea baffles me, hence the topic.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:13 am  

ChrisA wrote:

Tell me why you feel entertained, explain how you think our attack is great, the last third of last season and the start of this has been like watching a Brian noble team. Explain to me how a team that's has the same core of players and same coach can look so clueless and disjointed. I'd love you to explain that to me.

It's only the fact everyone else seems marginally worse than we are that these sub-par performances see us 5 from 5 and why the Aussies are light years in front of us. What is embarrassing is that fact we can play this badly in attack and not lose a game, it's embarrassing for SL as a whole.

If we were 5 from 5 and playing some great rugby I'd be on here commenting. If we were average I'd probably say nothing, the fact we seem to have no idea baffles me, hence the topic.

I agree 100% with you.
With so much possession last night we genuinely should have scored at least 50 points.
What I would say is that we have a great defence and will be very to beat. We will also be very hard to watch. The atmosphere in the first half was as lively as a Jewish pork pie shop.
There were a couple of positives for me though in that I thought Sutton and Gildart both played well and Clubb had his best game for quite a while.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:15 am  

ChrisA wrote:

Tell me why you feel entertained, explain how you think our attack is great, the last third of last season and the start of this has been like watching a Brian noble team. Explain to me how a team that's has the same core of players and same coach can look so clueless and disjointed. I'd love you to explain that to me.

It's only the fact everyone else seems marginally worse than we are that these sub-par performances see us 5 from 5 and why the Aussies are light years in front of us. What is embarrassing is that fact we can play this badly in attack and not lose a game, it's embarrassing for SL as a whole.

If we were 5 from 5 and playing some great rugby I'd be on here commenting. If we were average I'd probably say nothing, the fact we seem to have no idea baffles me, hence the topic.

There was little great football on show, and maybe that is a minor cause for concern, but you're wrong to suggest that was a poor performance. Wigan applied very strong defensive pressure on Leeds for the whole game. No one else in SL could have lived with that. Hence Leeds were exhausted just trying to get out of their own half. Hence they collapsed in the second half - in other words the plan worked.

Personally I thought Leeds were lucky not to be routed. They deserve some credit for that, though it was also our fault for forcing the pass now and then, taking the wrong option etc. We're not perfect but we are getting better by the week, with lots of quality still to return to action, and of course we've got a full set of points. I don't see how you can be as upset as you say you are.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:23 am  

I can't believe some of our "fans". We could go a season unbeaten, win everything including the WCC next year Yet some would find something to moan about.

I sit around a group each week who continually bag Tautai and say he's the worst prop we've ever had yet in my eyes, he's started this season well and you have to give him another chance yet they continue to go on and on.

The majority of the negative fans I come across seem to be still in the early 90s mindset where RL was completely one sided and we ran riot with no salary cap etc.

Get a grip and celebrate a great start to the season for a change!

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:38 am  

cherryandwhitedavid06 wrote:

I can't believe some of our "fans". We could go a season unbeaten, win everything including the WCC next year Yet some would find something to moan about.

I sit around a group each week who continually bag Tautai and say he's the worst prop we've ever had yet in my eyes, he's started this season well and you have to give him another chance yet they continue to go on and on.

The majority of the negative fans I come across seem to be still in the early 90s mindset where RL was completely one sided and we ran riot with no salary cap etc.

Get a grip and celebrate a great start to the season for a change!

I think you have hit the nail on the head.... Some of the negativity on here is laughable. The overall problem in the English SL is that there is not enough money in the game, so we can't bring in big names... Wane plays that situation as well as anyone with a broad based squad without stars. Lets not forget that the players we have injured are key players, ST, injuries permitting, has the potential to be the most effective and influential players in the league... 5 from 5 against the squads we have played against, and thats all you can play..

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:42 am  

ChrisA wrote:

Tell me why you feel entertained, explain how you think our attack is great, the last third of last season and the start of this has been like watching a Brian noble team. Explain to me how a team that's has the same core of players and same coach can look so clueless and disjointed. I'd love you to explain that to me.

It's only the fact everyone else seems marginally worse than we are that these sub-par performances see us 5 from 5 and why the Aussies are light years in front of us. What is embarrassing is that fact we can play this badly in attack and not lose a game, it's embarrassing for SL as a whole.

If we were 5 from 5 and playing some great rugby I'd be on here commenting. If we were average I'd probably say nothing, the fact we seem to have no idea baffles me, hence the topic.

The Aussie clubs are light years in front of us because they can spent more then double what we can on the salary cap. They weren't light years in front when we pent more then them 10 years back.

As for our start and us having no idea, do you not cut the team some slack for the fact that we're missing a number of pivotal players? our two biggest attacking threats in Tomkins and Williams included?

We're a team built for the firmer and faster pitches of the summer and we always seem to start slowly. In performance terms its not been vintage but the results are fantastic. We will get better and better as the season goes on and we will challenge for honors. If that's an embarrassment to the league then so be it. Whilst the quality of superleague may be at a low, the number of young players being produced is surely at an all time high.

Re: Terrible : Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:43 am  

cherryandwhitedavid06 wrote:

I can't believe some of our "fans". We could go a season unbeaten, win everything including the WCC next year Yet some would find something to moan about.

I sit around a group each week who continually bag Tautai and say he's the worst prop we've ever had yet in my eyes, he's started this season well and you have to give him another chance yet they continue to go on and on.

The majority of the negative fans I come across seem to be still in the early 90s mindset where RL was completely one sided and we ran riot with no salary cap etc.

Get a grip and celebrate a great start to the season for a change!

Spot on
Yes, we're playing ugly.
Yes, a lot of the squads we've been against are crocked.
Yes, we got lucky against the French in the rain on that pitch.
But, we're joint top with a game in hand over Widnes with a depleted first team and a bunch of kids and lumps in odd places.
Fer Feckin Sake: stop whingin' yer misanthropic, jaundiced, under the bridge dwelling (goat eating) prats.