Re: Scrum half : Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:49 pm  

NSW wrote:

Am I crazy for thinking we’d look better like this

Tomkins

Williams
Smith

Tommy

Powell/Escare

At least with Smith and Williams we knew what we were getting, good to great long kicking game from Smith, organising plays. Williams to play with freedom knowing Smith would take control on the last tackle.

Our halfbacks passed it to Bateman twice on the last tackle tonight.

Great long kicking game from Smith????? Presume youndont mean Matty??? Could find the fullback from 65/70 yrds no worry.

[DaveO]

Re: Scrum half : Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:50 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Every chance he'll pick up a ban this week for that stupid tackle at the start of the second half so we might see a change by default.

We can but hope.

Mind you if he does cop a ban watch the debate about who Wane will pick to play half back then. My starter for 10 is Lockers. (My preferred option is Sam T). Perm any one from Lockers, Sam T, Escare or Woods. Have I missed anyone out?

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:08 am  

NSW wrote:

Am I crazy for thinking we’d look better like this

Tomkins

Williams
Smith

Tommy

Powell/Escare

At least with Smith and Williams we knew what we were getting, good to great long kicking game from Smith, organising plays. Williams to play with freedom knowing Smith would take control on the last tackle.

Our halfbacks passed it to Bateman twice on the last tackle tonight.

Big fat YES!!! Crazy would just about cover it unless u mean Tony Smith from 20 years ago!

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:21 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’ve been prepared to give Powell a chance and be reasonably patient but tonight should be the last time we see him at 7 in a Wigan shirt. He’s a good hooker if you play to his strengths of being ultra fit and competitive and give him 60+ mins a game but he hasn’t got the required passing or kicking skills to be a 7 for Wigan.

Against Cas next week we should be looking at something different. I’m not sure if that’s just Leuluai and Powell swapping back, Escare or Woods coming in at 7 (or Escare at fullback with Sam at 7) or even Lockers going in there but we can’t keep going with this set up. The ‘Switcheroo’ has been dumped for some reason and maybe it’s a case that we need to bring that back because it at least takes Powell out of the halves for a spell.

I feel the same about Powell, I think some of the criticism of him has been OTT, and he has put in a few half-decent performances, but it doesn't look like he's the answer as a Wigan 7. It would be so lovely to see us blow Cas away with a great attacking performance next week, but it's hard to see that right now.



But of course, I wouldn't be devastated with a 9-8 win.

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:59 am  

Feel like banging my head against the wall every time I see a shout for Tomkins to mive into the hales; why limit him to only one half of the pitch and make him do far more tackling?! Madness.

Matty Smith?! There are other HBs in the world other than past Wigan players, forget him, and forget moving Tommy back to 7. Learn from past mistakes, don’t return back to them.

The answer isn’t currently at Wigan. Powell isn’t it, clearly. Escare needs a run there, but I fear his defence might be an issue in the line.
Woods? Too inexperienced just yet. His lace of pace worries me for a long term 7.

What happened to Shorrocks?

Ssd thing is our best half, best 13, and best prop is the same person; Lockers.

I remember when a scrum half was a key position. Bout time we started treating it as such.

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:06 am  

And some people are slating williams saying he's doing nothing,there's only williams creating anything in my opinion.We need a top class scrum half who can create chances aswell and powell isn't that person.

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:28 am  

For me we just need someone with a good long kicking game and can organise. Would anyone take Patton from Wire?i think he would complement Williams well and he seems out of favour at Wire.

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:29 am  

chip wrote:

And some people are slating williams saying he's doing nothing,there's only williams creating anything in my opinion.We need a top class scrum half who can create chances aswell and powell isn't that person.

I think we must be watching different games! I don’t see much creativity coming from Williams. I do agree though in that we need to invest in a top class 7

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:12 am  

chip wrote:

And some people are slating williams saying he's doing nothing,there's only williams creating anything in my opinion.We need a top class scrum half who can create chances aswell and powell isn't that person.

Williams’ creativity starts at a show and go onto a sidestep and then ends at being tackled. It’s predictable garbage and it’s happening 10+ times a game. Why he’s still allowed to keep on doing it is absolutely beyond me.

Re: Scrum half : Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:14 am  

Williams is at the heart of our left side attack and if people can’t see it then I don’t know what they’re watching. We’re scoring loads down that edge and it’s his involvement and the way he is engaging defenders and getting them interested that is opening up defences and creating the opening for th centres and wingers.
He doesn’t have to be scoring length of the field tries to be effective.