Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:12 pm  

jonh wrote:

That makes 2 of the current halves who offer 0 in attack.

Lam stated players will be “rested” against Leigh. I expect Smith must be one of them.

Even if we had no players back I’d rather run with Hanley at 1 and TL and Hastings in the halves than run with Smith.

Hardaker will be against Leyth
Put Hastings at HB drop/rest TL and Powell and play the 2 young guys at hooker

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:18 pm  

Unfair, Smith has played behind a beaten pack most weeks. How many folk believe half backs can produce their best behind a beaten pack? His half back partner is too slow and should have retired end of 2020. Smith is also trying to make things happen with all these matters against him. He's working with one of the most useless coaches Wigan have had in SL. Thankfully Smith is going nowhere.

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:20 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

If we’re resting v Leigh I expect a loss.

I think the resting comment was made by Lam as a nice way of saying players will be dropped.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:22 pm  

Funnily enough after tonight only one of our halfbacks from today is in the top 10 in Superleague for setting up tries - Harry Smith. The other halfback doesn't even register in the top 20 and the stats stop after that.

He's being asked to carry a team behind a beaten pack most weeks with zero help from his considerably more experienced partner. Maybe we should change the name in the title?

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:23 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

People forget he’s 21 with limited first team experience. He’s expected to lead us around the park, set up plays, organise attach, kick, kick goals, get players where he wants them. He’s doing that with a ghost alongside him in Tommy. Throw in the pack ineffectiveness and it quickly becomes apparent he is on a hiding to nothing.

He set up both tries for us tonight which IMO were excellent. I’d love to see Smith under a coach like Holbrook.

Don’t throw in the towel on him yet. What we’re expecting him to do is similar to putting a nail in with a blow up hammer.

Agree with this. Too much pressure and expectation on him at the moment.

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:26 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

Unfair, Smith has played behind a beaten pack most weeks. How many folk believe half backs can produce their best behind a beaten pack? His half back partner is too slow and should have retired end of 2020. Smith is also trying to make things happen with all these matters against him. He's working with one of the most useless coaches Wigan have had in SL. Thankfully Smith is going nowhere.

The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.

The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.

If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.

I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:29 pm  

jonh wrote:

The coach doesn’t come up with poor reads in defence and consistently pass the ball totally inaccurately, put the ball out on the full regularly.

The errors he is making are not complex they are very basic skills.

If it was Jai Field making the same mistakes he would be crucified.

I believe at the moment Smith and Powell are killing us with their failure to control/direct play, their passing accuracy and their lack of threat.

I'm not disagreeing with you (although I still think there's a decent player there), but Lam keeps sending him out there week after week, regardless of performance or improvements. Hanley had a very solid game Vs Hudds and that was the opportunity to move JH back to 6.

He's killing us with stuff like that and I think he's killing the players too.

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:36 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I'm not disagreeing with you (although I still think there's a decent player there), but Lam keeps sending him out there week after week, regardless of performance or improvements. Hanley had a very solid game Vs Hudds and that was the opportunity to move JH back to 6.

He's killing us with stuff like that and I think he's killing the players too.

I agree I think Hanley played well and was surprised not to see him play tonight given the form of our halves.

What concerns me about Lam is the fact he has been bigging up Smith trying to justify the Hastings to 1 move despite the fact he had been poor.

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:41 pm  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

Funnily enough after tonight only one of our halfbacks from today is in the top 10 in Superleague for setting up tries - Harry Smith. The other halfback doesn't even register in the top 20 and the stats stop after that.

He's being asked to carry a team behind a beaten pack most weeks with zero help from his considerably more experienced partner. Maybe we should change the name in the title?

Spot on, to TL. At least Harry Smith tries to be creative, (see Liam Marshalls 2nd try)., and does have failings in his game, but someone tell me what TL brings to the team to avoid criticism that HS receives ?

Re: Harry Smith : Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:41 pm  

jonh wrote:

I agree I think Hanley played well and was surprised not to see him play tonight given the form of our halves.

What concerns me about Lam is the fact he has been bigging up Smith trying to justify the Hastings to 1 move despite the fact he had been poor.

That's one of my main gripes wth Lam. He seems unable/unwilling to change course, stubborn even. The Hastings @FB thing is just one example. His selection of Clubb and non selection of Clarke is another. We don't even need to talk about Hankinson either.