Re: Castleford (a) : Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:57 pm  

Mamo dropped as well, extra passing practice for him all week

Re: Castleford (a) : Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:03 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Mamo dropped as well, extra passing practice for him all week

Bar the passing I thought Mamo was their best player.

Re: Castleford (a) : Wed Mar 01, 2023 1:09 pm  

WWste wrote:

Bar the passing I thought Mamo was their best player.

Yep, gave Ritson nightmares (early days for him though) but his end product was shocking for someone of his experience

Re: Castleford (a) : Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:06 pm  

I think Mamo is injured from what I read. He had a back spasm during the game and hasn’t recovered sufficiently.

I looked at the Cas squad earlier and they always worry me. They just seem to always be full of big, experienced forwards and backs who can cause you issues on their day. That squad won’t win them anything but it’s one which will just click on occasion and it always feel like their forwards experience is a challenge for some of ours that lack a bit of that.

Re: Castleford (a) : Wed Mar 01, 2023 6:13 pm  

WWste wrote:

Isa needs to play his intensity in defence really stood out against wakey.

No need to change a winning team.

Re: Castleford (a) : Thu Mar 02, 2023 1:45 pm  

Zig wrote:

No need to change a winning team.

Was KPP the reason we lost at Hull KR? (despite scoring a try)

Re: Castleford (a) : Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:17 pm  

nikos wrote:

Was KPP the reason we lost at Hull KR? (despite scoring a try)

Any single player is NEVER the total reason why a team loses
However
KPP needs to bring more intensity/line speed/attitude & IMO Toughness to his style of play to be a starter in THIS Wigan team
Isa knitted that right side defence together far better last week, and his overall attributes work better CURRENTLY

Before the season started my concern was KPP & Right side defense

I knew King would be the scapegoat for this, but KPP (And to a slightly lesser extent French & Cust) was as big if not a bigger problem
His inside chase 2nd half and getting caught at marker (Along with retreating for the 4th tackle from the PTB to a position BEHIND Jai Field) at FB left all kinds of problems which were too much for our right side that was already a bit Flakey.

For now I trust Isa to work with his inside/outside defenders better doing the hard stuff and laying the platform/field position to allow our more flamboyant/ball players to play.

There are attributes KPP brings that he does very well and can contribute for Wigan, however some of his fragilities create issues that we can ill afford at key periods in games

Re: Castleford (a) : Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:30 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Any single player is NEVER the total reason why a team loses
However
KPP needs to bring more intensity/line speed/attitude & IMO Toughness to his style of play to be a starter in THIS Wigan team
Isa knitted that right side defence together far better last week, and his overall attributes work better CURRENTLY

Before the season started my concern was KPP & Right side defense

I knew King would be the scapegoat for this, but KPP (And to a slightly lesser extent French & Cust) was as big if not a bigger problem
His inside chase 2nd half and getting caught at marker (Along with retreating for the 4th tackle from the PTB to a position BEHIND Jai Field) at FB left all kinds of problems which were too much for our right side that was already a bit Flakey.

For now I trust Isa to work with his inside/outside defenders better doing the hard stuff and laying the platform/field position to allow our more flamboyant/ball players to play.

There are attributes KPP brings that he does very well and can contribute for Wigan, however some of his fragilities create issues that we can ill afford at key periods in games

This is bang on. He really doesn't use his attributes enough, he starts games well but seems to completely fade away. I try and not judge young lads too much, but you can see he still has a hell of a lot of learning to do. Positionally in the defensive line, he looks so slow and vulnerable. I was surprised that people thought we wouldn't miss Bateman that much because we've got KPP. I just don't see it at the moment but hopefully he'll improve as the season goes on. Maybe off the bench is where he is best placed with Isa starting. We did look miles more comfortable against Wakey despite being a weaker opposition.

Big game for us this week mentally I feel, another away loss so early on in the season won't sit right.

Re: Castleford (a) : Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:54 pm  

I said the same about KPP during the Hull KR game, his work rate was low and he was not working with King in defence.

You could tell he had a few honest words in his direction at half time as he seemed to liven up for about 5 minutes before going back to hiding.

If he thinks he can coast through this season before jumping on a plane then I think Peet is right to send him the message and leave him out of the 17 for a few weeks.

He is a wonderfully talented player no doubt but he doesn’t bring nearly enough to the table in certain aspects of his game…which Isa does.

Some fans seem to think he is the best thing since sliced bread because he can offload, that’s all well and good but it’s bugger all use if he is not doing the basics of his job.

It’s a big year mentally for KPP and if the KR game was anything to go by it’s not one he is ready to front up in.

Hopefully a few weeks on the sideline will be the kick up the rear he needs.

Re: Castleford (a) : Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:27 pm  

I’ve never got carried along with the KPP hype tbh. I was staggered he made the mid season England training squad tbh and presumed it was to try an oil the wheels towards a new Wigan deal. I was even more amazed to then see him announce an exit and get picked for a 24 man World Cup squad.

He is a talent, there is no doubt about that but he’s got so far to go in his development across the board. It’s all well and good being an awkward ball carrier and having ball skills but you need more than that to hit the top level. I’m yet to see him really push himself in terms of workrate, he doesn’t run the ball with a great deal of aggression and his tackling needs work as well. I can’t help but wonder if subconsciously he’s held back somewhat, with an eye on what is seen as a real challenge over in Oz. In the case of Will Pryce, it feels much the same. They’ll both certainly need to up it if they want to make names for themselves (I do think they will to be fair).