Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:45 pm  

fleabag wrote:

And there I think is the problem for the fans.

Lenegan wants to make a profit, I feel.

We, the fans, want a successful team.

Il doesn't want the club to run at a loss. There is a difference.
IL also wants a successful team, and to keep the club out of the red he will need the club to be winning things and his vision for the likes of Central Park to work.

He's got a very good track record up to now.

Time will tell.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:52 pm  

DaveO wrote:

There is a slight flaw in your argument here. We aren't getting any new kings. A few pretenders to the throne maybe.

Without a dead king the pretenders an't become the new kings. But knowing how some fans on here minds work, a few more scape goats is probably more accurate though.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:57 pm  

fleabag wrote:

And there I think is the problem for the fans.

Lenegan wants to make a profit, I feel.

We, the fans, want a successful team.

I have faith in IL as no one buys a rugby league team to make profits, Ian would have a lot more prosperous investment options available to him than Wigan RLFC. As previous alluded too IL is conscious of avoiding substantial losses, if you want an example of a club who disregarded finances and went for glory look no further than Bradford, if fans ran a club it would end up like that.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:09 pm  

I have been a massive supporter of IFL and I think he has done an outstanding job thus far at Wigan.

For those saying this is a business decision I would question that as the finances we must have invested in Hock including his 2 year ban will be massive. Also IFL is a business man and the first key to making a business tick is generating income from sales, and the key market is spectators. Selling Hock will really take one of our entertaining assets from the team and also harm our chances if success, we will not be in a position to recruit a like for like replacement as there are non in the UK and the cap means non will come from the NRL.

The recent trend is a worrying one and if Hock goes I personally feel it will be a massive mistake, but only IFL knows all the facts and from that point if view only he is able to make the fully informed call.

From my point of view I will be less prone to pay to watch games at an increased rate with a massive reduction in quality and entertainment next year. It is a worrying trend that appears to be developing.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:15 pm  

there can be no excuses for the way the club is being run the most inportant people are the fans and IL doesen't seem to care about them.
the fans i speak to are completely disillusioned, the heart is being ripped out of the club and i think we will see this in poor crowds next season.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:17 pm  

It's like a mass suicide cult on here at times.

Lets wait to see what actually happens (if anything does) and the facts if Hock does go before slitting our wrists, or putting a horse's head in Lenagan's or Hock's bed.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:17 pm  

I'm all for not making a loss each year but come on! Yes, I know we didn't reach a final this year which will affect our profits but we can't just keep letting players go to balance the books otherwise we will never reach anymore finals and the problem will just continue. Why spend a three figure sum on Blake Green if the club is so concerned about not making a loss, he's hardly a world beater. Another financial issue is the fact we should have a very significant amount of salary cap free for next season with big earners such as Tommy, Finch, Lima and now Hock going coupled with Fielden and Carmont who won't have been on peanuts. We should be spending this on a quality short term replacement for Carmont and signing an experienced prop, then the rest spent on increasing younger players' wages. Slightly concerned at the moment about where we are heading!

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:18 pm  

Did you not finish top of the pile this year???

Yep an absolutely awful year for the Wigan Warriors. Finishing top how dreadful must that have been.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:25 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Did you not finish top of the pile this year???

Yep an absolutely awful year for the Wigan Warriors. Finishing top how dreadful must that have been.

Genuine question, what does this post have anything remotely to do with the issue being discussed or any issue raised in the thread?

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:32 pm  

jonh wrote:

Genuine question, what does this post have anything remotely to do with the issue being discussed or any issue raised in the thread?

It was in response to this

tangerine wrote:

there can be no excuses for the way the club is being run the most inportant people are the fans and IL doesen't seem to care about them.
the fans i speak to are completely disillusioned, the heart is being ripped out of the club and i think we will see this in poor crowds next season.

If IL did not care about the fans, then I would suggest that the poster is ignoring the on the field success IL has brought to Wigan since he came.