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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:00 am  
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For me you can look no further than our pack. It's pi$$ poor compared to Warrington/Saints. Lack of recruitment there is having a major impact on they way we play under SW which is to bully teams from the front and kill them for speed on the outtside.

I'd also send Gelling packing, I really really don't know what Wane see's in him, he's garbage and comes up with 3/4 errors every game! He should be nowhere near that Wigan shirt.

Gelling is 3rd in the league for carries and 4th for metres made, all despite not playing full back or wing where you get easy metres with kick returns. He also gets either a try or an assist per game and seldom gives away penalties. His errors are a big problem but take them away and he would be the best centre in the league IMO. Plus he made 0 errors last night for a change :D
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:12 am  
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Gelling is 3rd in the league for carries and 4th for metres made, all despite not playing full back or wing where you get easy metres with kick returns. He also gets either a try or an assist per game and seldom gives away penalties. His errors are a big problem but take them away and he would be the best centre in the league IMO. Plus he made 0 errors last night for a change :D


For me Gelling says a lot about the declining quality of Super League. I don't think he's got the intelligence to be a top centre. He's unpredictable. I'm not saying all centres should be predictable, I mean it in the sense that his winger will never know what to expect or whether he'll get the right pass or not. The best centres will create space and give their winger the right pass time and time again, whether it's a straightforward pass, a flick pass, a pass out the back door. It doesn't matter - their winger will know that it's going where they want it. I don't think Gelling is that good and I don't think he'll ever reach that level of consistency.
Gelling's work rate is impressive though and it's obviously very valuable to the team. In some ways he offers something that you wouldn't really consider essential to the role he's playing. You would generally never sign a centre purely because he can make 200 metres in a game when on form, but you'd also think long and hard before taking a player who can make those kind of metres out of the team, no matter what position they play.

I don't think Gelling is an intelligent player. There doesn't seem to be much thought process in what he does, or perhaps he's just playing on instinct. Last night he took the ball from dummy half and launched a kick on the last tackle. That's either incredible stupidity that had a surprisingly positive outcome, or he's actually a quality kicker and intended that to happen and it's just been kept a secret.

Despite all the negatives, I'd still agree that he's one of the better centres in Super League, but I don't think there are many top quality centres in Super League at the moment. He does have good qualities on top of his work rate. His handling skills are good (when he keeps hold of the ball) and he's got good footwork so he can make good ground and be difficult to bring down. His height also offers another target for kicking. I also wouldn't swap Gelling for Turner, Jones or Percival at Saints and they are currently the top dogs.

In short, I haven't a clue what Gelling is or is supposed to be, but having him in the side is both great and terrible at the same time.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:14 am  
Just watching the Sarge interview on Wigan TV.

Taking away their chef? sounds a bit Mean Machine...
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:23 pm  
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For me Gelling says a lot about the declining quality of Super League. I don't think he's got the intelligence to be a top centre. He's unpredictable. I'm not saying all centres should be predictable, I mean it in the sense that his winger will never know what to expect or whether he'll get the right pass or not. The best centres will create space and give their winger the right pass time and time again, whether it's a straightforward pass, a flick pass, a pass out the back door. It doesn't matter - their winger will know that it's going where they want it. I don't think Gelling is that good and I don't think he'll ever reach that level of consistency.
Gelling's work rate is impressive though and it's obviously very valuable to the team. In some ways he offers something that you wouldn't really consider essential to the role he's playing. You would generally never sign a centre purely because he can make 200 metres in a game when on form, but you'd also think long and hard before taking a player who can make those kind of metres out of the team, no matter what position they play.

I don't think Gelling is an intelligent player. There doesn't seem to be much thought process in what he does, or perhaps he's just playing on instinct. Last night he took the ball from dummy half and launched a kick on the last tackle. That's either incredible stupidity that had a surprisingly positive outcome, or he's actually a quality kicker and intended that to happen and it's just been kept a secret.

Despite all the negatives, I'd still agree that he's one of the better centres in Super League, but I don't think there are many top quality centres in Super League at the moment. He does have good qualities on top of his work rate. His handling skills are good (when he keeps hold of the ball) and he's got good footwork so he can make good ground and be difficult to bring down. His height also offers another target for kicking. I also wouldn't swap Gelling for Turner, Jones or Percival at Saints and they are currently the top dogs.

In short, I haven't a clue what Gelling is or is supposed to be, but having him in the side is both great and terrible at the same time.

Gelling has actually got quite a good short kicking game - he's always trying to put Charnley through with it.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:53 pm  
Anyone questioning Gelling's centre potential, watch Charnley's last second try vs Hull KR away last year. It was classic centre play that if Sarginson or Carmont had done, people would be talking about it for years.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:20 pm  
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Anyone questioning Gelling's centre potential, watch Charnley's last second try vs Hull KR away last year. It was classic centre play that if Sarginson or Carmont had done, people would be talking about it for years.

He's the scapegoat where I sit - has to pull off a miracle pass to get any semblance of praise.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:27 pm  
You can put a suit on a donkey but it's still a donkey.
Sorry about the analogy but people accepting that Gelling is a quality centre is part of the reason for the current situation. We have let our standards slip full stop.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:16 am  
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Anyone questioning Gelling's centre potential, watch Charnley's last second try vs Hull KR away last year. It was classic centre play that if Sarginson or Carmont had done, people would be talking about it for years.


Also while mentioning Carmont... he played for NZ Warriors in the NSW cup this morning... aged 37. Scored a try as well.
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:54 am  
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Re: When did it start to go wrong? : Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:57 am  
Itchy Arsenal wrote:
You can put a suit on a donkey but it's still a donkey.
Sorry about the analogy but people accepting that Gelling is a quality centre is part of the reason for the current situation. We have let our standards slip full stop.


In the last three months of last season Gelling played as well as I've seen any centre play for Wigan for a long time. He was scoring try's, setting them up, eating up metres and defending well. Fast forward to this year and he's the old accident prone Gelling again. The one that frustrates the life out of you because you can see there's massive potential there. It's even more frustrating now because of that form at the end of last year.

I can fully understand why Wane would keep playing him and why many fans back him. He has a X factor that can make differences in games. At the minute he's doing us as much harm as good but there's a sense of anticipation that the penny may drop.
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