Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:11 pm  

giwildgo wrote:

As good as Hock is, the big trophies won in 2010 and 2011 were without him, so he is far from irreplaceable.

we dont have a joel tomkins or a ryan hoffman now though. and they were quality too.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:33 pm  

the wrestler wrote:

we dont have a joel tomkins or a ryan hoffman now though. and they were quality too.

Agreed - but there's no way in current circumstances that the likes of Hoffman will grace SL again, whereas I'd argue that Hughes and Lloyd are at least as good as J Tomkins at a comparable stage of their development.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:46 pm  

giwildgo wrote:

Agreed - but there's no way in current circumstances that the likes of Hoffman will grace SL again, whereas I'd argue that Hughes and Lloyd are at least as good as J Tomkins at a comparable stage of their development.

As much as your first point is correct it matters little in the comparison stakes because we did have Hoffman and now we don't! We did have Joel Tomkins and now we don't and we do have Gaz Hock but won't for long and no replacement of anywhere near the same quality will be available now. A few months back Willie Manu and Gareth Ellis where available but now they're not and we'll have to go with what we've got.

As for your second point it's again correct but matter even less because Joel was 23-24 with 4 or 5 seasons rugby at the back of him when he replaced Hock in 2010. Those 2 you mention are good youngsters but they're no Hock, no Hoffman and no Joel Tomkins of 2010 yet and won't be for a good few seasons.

We need quality players in the team now not in 5 years.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:48 pm  

AJ wrote:

Second year in a row, we've lost a player we didn't expect to lose and will receive a transfer fee. So what?

We cant keep losing the quality we do, IL's ability to release anyone from a contract is ridiculous, with Hock gone, the one bit of spark in our pack is gone.

Unless Wigan want rid - for whatever bad apple reason - which doesn't seem to be rumored, I cant understand why we are letting him go.

So much for us standing by him.

Its season ticket renewal time, and whilst my money & application form are ready to go, I'm questioning whether it's worth bothering. I'm utterly disillusioned with RL and Wigan aren't helping, we've announced 2 more sponsors in the past day, so what? It means nothing without a successful team, which with Hock now going and the expected departures of Mossop and more importantly Sam in 12 months, its only getting worse.

It was, about two weeks ago.

Strong rumour coming from the club , Gaz Hock off to Australia. And if what I have heard is true then Wigan are better off shut

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Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:53 pm  

The message this sends to Lloyd etc and the other more established youngsters is that they are at Wigan to develop and then sign for an NRL club once there development is deemed suitable for the NRL.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:01 pm  

Would be interesting to see if any of the posters up in arms are the same posters who objected to him being offered a new contract after his ban for drugs was served.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:21 pm  

Has anyone thought this could be Gaz way or his Agents at getting Gaz an improved deal. He was brought back on a modest contract that was to increase slightly each year over the 5 years. He had a good year and clearly should be one of our topp 5 earners.

At 29 this has all the classic signs of getting an improved contract

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:35 pm  

Before getting too despondent I suggest that you wait until you see Hock's replacement

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:37 pm  

Tricky Dicky wrote:

Has anyone thought this could be Gaz way or his Agents at getting Gaz an improved deal. He was brought back on a modest contract that was to increase slightly each year over the 5 years. He had a good year and clearly should be one of our topp 5 earners.

At 29 this has all the classic signs of getting an improved contract

i think so too, is he still on the same contract he signed after he came back from the drugs ban? maybe this is hes way to get an improvement on that deal. most people who know hock say hes a home cookie who will probably never move out of wigan.

but if not i hope we make moves for mose maose (not sure on spelling) but the 2nd row from the roosters hes very big and solid as a rock and last time i heard he was available, so collect the fee from gaz and pocket it and not lose to much qaulity.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:38 pm  

nohalfbacks wrote:

Before getting too despondent I suggest that you wait until you see Hock's replacement

the only other 2nd row who would make this not a complete disapointment would be westwood, as ellis and manu have already signed for other teams.