: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:37 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Good players but are they off contract at the end of this year? And bringing in two overseas players where do we stand on the quota, who would have to make way to accommodate them Bailey, Phelps?

Yes all three are off contract this year.

The quota for next year is 6

Pressuming we release Bailey and Cameron Phelps.

Would leave us with:


Ben Ross
Frank Puletua/David Kidwell
Amos Roberts
Mark Riddell
Feka
Carmont
Richards

That would be a problem. The only solution would to release George Carmont. Would we want to do that? I don't know. He is a very good player but seems to be picking up injury problems and hasn't been as good this season as he was last season and has had problems one on one in defence.

Pressuming this happened we would have to lineup as:

Pat Richards
Amos Roberts
Martin Gleeson
Darrell Goulding/Karl Pryce
Sean Ainscough
Sam Tomkins
Thomas Leuluai
Ben Ross
Mark Riddell
Stuart Fielden
Frank Puletua
Joel Tomkins
Sean O'loughlin
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Harrison Hansen/Lee Mossop
Michael McIlorum
Feka Paleaasina
Paul Prescott/Eamon O'carroll

Not bad.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:38 pm  

odemwingie wrote:

I would be happy with that but would we have enough money for those two and a world class half back?

To get them Phleps would have to go.

So

Phelps
Smith
Coley
Bailey

all going, I am not sure we would have enough as I think we may keep Bailey and would probably have to get rid to get both of them in.

My ideal signing would still be Cayless and Barrett

Forget the world class halfback. Not going to happen. We have Tomkins, Leuluai , Riddell and McIlorum. We have no room.

Yes we would have the money because we would have the money from Hock, Coley, Smith, Phelps and Bailey.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:39 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Yes all three are off contract this year.

The quota for next year is 6

Pressuming we release Bailey and Cameron Phelps.

Would leave us with:


Ben Ross
Frank Puletua/David Kidwell
Amos Roberts
Mark Riddell
Feka
Carmont
Richards

That would be a problem. The only solution would to release George Carmont. Would we want to do that? I don't know. He is a very good player but seems to be picking up injury problems and hasn't been as good this season as he was last season and has had problems one on one in defence.

I thought Carmont didn't count as he has a samoan passport or something.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:41 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Yes all three are off contract this year.

The quota for next year is 6

Pressuming we release Bailey and Cameron Phelps.

Would leave us with:


Ben Ross
Frank Puletua/David Kidwell
Amos Roberts
Mark Riddell
Feka
Carmont
Richards

That would be a problem. The only solution would to release George Carmont. Would we want to do that? I don't know. He is a very good player but seems to be picking up injury problems and hasn't been as good this season as he was last season and has had problems one on one in defence.

would be a mistake on par with not signing a prop. also, isnt he getting a samoan passport (or does that not get round the quota anymore? i cant keep up!)?

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:42 pm  

odemwingie wrote:

I thought Carmont didn't count as he has a samoan passport or something.

He doesn't count on the 'Overseas quota' (Which will be five next year) but he counts on the 'Overseas trained' which will be six next year including your overseas quota players.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:42 pm  

cadoo wrote:

Yes all three are off contract this year.

The quota for next year is 6

Pressuming we release Bailey and Cameron Phelps.

Would leave us with:


Ben Ross
Frank Puletua/David Kidwell
Amos Roberts
Mark Riddell
Feka
Carmont
Richards

That would be a problem. The only solution would to release George Carmont. Would we want to do that? I don't know. He is a very good player but seems to be picking up injury problems and hasn't been as good this season as he was last season and has had problems one on one in defence.

I'd be happy to let Phelps and Bailey go in the way of progress, however some others may have issue with it.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:44 pm  

[Gareth] wrote:

would be a mistake on par with not signing a prop. also, isnt he getting a samoan passport (or does that not get round the quota anymore? i cant keep up!)?

There's two quotas.

'Overseas Quota' which is the one he gets off and Mark Riddell and Amos Roberts are on.

And the 'Overseas trained' which is what George Carmont, Feka Paleaasina and Pat Richards are on (As well as Mark Riddell and Amos Roberts)

The quota for overseas trained players next season is six (including your overseas quota players).

So at the moment this will be:
Mark Riddell
Amos Roberts
Pat Richards
Feka Paleaasina


With George Carmont, Cameron Phelps and Phil Bailey out of contract. All three count on that quota.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:49 pm  

cadoo wrote:

There's two quotas.

'Overseas Quota' which is the one he gets off and Mark Riddell and Amos Roberts are on.

And the 'Overseas trained' which is what George Carmont, Feka Paleaasina and Pat Richards are on (As well as Mark Riddell and Amos Roberts)

The quota for overseas trained players next season is six (including your overseas quota players).

So at the moment this will be:
Mark Riddell
Amos Roberts
Pat Richards
Feka Paleaasina


With George Carmont, Cameron Phelps and Phil Bailey out of contract. All three count on that quota.

So if we want to sign one overseas player then 2 of them are on their way.

Phelps or Carmont will go IMO.

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:51 pm  

Or how about forget a replacement for Hock. Just use what we have for a season and sign up Ben Ross as a replacement for Andy Coley.

If that is all we can do this season then so be it.

Extend Phelps's contract for another and possibly Carmonts and go with:

Cameron Phelps
Amos Roberts
Martin Gleeson
George Carmont
Pat Richards
Sam Tomkins
Thomas Leuluai
Stuart Fielden
Mark Riddell
Ben Ross
Harrison Hansen
Joel Tomkins
Sean O'loughlin

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Michael McIlorum
Feka Paleaasina
Paul Prescott
Lee Mossop


Liam Farrell
Darrell Goulding
Eamon O'carroll
Karl Pryce
Mark Flanagan
Sean Ainscough
Chris Tuson
Ian Thornley
Ben Davies

: Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:58 pm  

odemwingie wrote:

So if we want to sign one overseas player then 2 of them are on their way.

Phelps or Carmont will go IMO.

No

Just to confuse matters we could sign up all three because of the new rules the RFL have made Phil Bailey will count as a federation player because he was signed before the rules were in place in 2007.

This explains it:

The RFL has now announced that clubs will be able to renew or extend the contracts of non-federation players who were signed before the rule was changed in June 2007.

Those players can be retained on top of the non-federation players that clubs are allowed, though the new dispensation will expire if players switch clubs or at the end of any contract extension.

So in theory we could sign up all three players but we would be able to buy another overseas player.

So we have to release either Cameron Phelps or George Carmont if we want to bring in another overseas player. To bring in two we would have to release both.