Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:08 pm  

--[ WW ]-- wrote:

Did we not adjust some of the contracts of existing players to make room for the Fielden and Dobson? That was my understanding but I'm trying to pick a nearly 20yr old memory from a time when I really enjoyed myself at games so any conversations I had might have been misunderstood on my part

Yes that rings a bell. Whether or not we should have been deducted points the following year given there was no explicit rule regarding staggered payments is up for debate. But regardless, it was IMO a very smart move which may well have saved the club from relegation. Ruthless, possibly unethical but smart. We significantly reduced our chances of competing for trophies in subsequent years as the cap was so top heavy with Barrett and Fielden but we stayed alive in SL. Who knows if relegation would have led to us being in a similar position to where Bradford have been over the last decade.

I imagine it was a big factor in the salary cap becoming 'live' a few years afterwards - with the current system Lindsay couldn't have done what he did.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:36 pm  

Re Saints fans insults I agrre it's embarasing. Sadly it's something that's crept in amongst certain sections of our fan base over the last few years

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:22 am  

The Saints fans who come on here and contribute (Stu & Yellow Giraffe) know their stuff and are obviously sensible people who love RL. Always enjoy their insights from a non-Wigan fan perspective.

However, RedVee in the main is the picture of ignorance. One post caught my eye which stated that young George Delaney was better than Kade Ellis! Ellis was arguably the best prop in a SL winning side. Also the same post forgot to even acknowledge Liam Byrne, they forgot about him! As I say, ignorance must be bliss.

I think our problem next year in the forwards is simply keeping everyone happy. On paper, we should be looking at multiple trophies IMO. But rugby isn't played on paper, unfortunately.

I still think there will be a few departures. Hill and Shorrocks to name two.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:04 am  

Stu M wrote:

What I am surprised at though is the decision taken by Saints. We have been knocked off our perch and instead of trying to sign players to get back to the top, we are gambling on youth. Very similar to Utd and the Class of 92 lot.

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Bloody hell Stu, bit much this.

Saints will still be spending the salary, they’ll still be using all the overseas quota, they’ve still got one of the top teams in SL.

You’re making out like 3/4 of these 18 year olds will be in your starting team every week.

Roby has retired and you’ve literally signed the England hooker to replace him. Also replaced LMS with a starting back rower from a Grand final team.

Apart from one of the wingers, you’ve no holes in your squad.

You’ve just promoted youth players to be squad numbers 27-33 (which most teams will do) after letting several of them squad numbers go from last year.

Class of 92

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:06 am  

NSW wrote:

Bloody hell Stu, bit much this.

Saints will still be spending the salary, they’ll still be using all the overseas quota, they’ve still got one of the top teams in SL.

You’re making out like 3/4 of these 18 year olds will be in your starting team every week.

Roby has retired and you’ve literally signed the England hooker to replace him. Also replaced LMS with a starting back rower from a Grand final team.

Apart from one of the wingers, you’ve no holes in your squad.

You’ve just promoted youth players to be squad numbers 27-33 (which most teams will do) after letting several of them squad numbers go from last year.

Class of 92

Getting the excuses in early

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 10:25 am  

LewCharnock wrote:

The Saints fans who come on here and contribute (Stu & Yellow Giraffe) know their stuff and are obviously sensible people who love RL. Always enjoy their insights from a non-Wigan fan perspective.

However, RedVee in the main is the picture of ignorance. One post caught my eye which stated that young George Delaney was better than Kade Ellis! Ellis was arguably the best prop in a SL winning side. Also the same post forgot to even acknowledge Liam Byrne, they forgot about him! As I say, ignorance must be bliss.

I think our problem next year in the forwards is simply keeping everyone happy. On paper, we should be looking at multiple trophies IMO. But rugby isn't played on paper, unfortunately.

I still think there will be a few departures. Hill and Shorrocks to name two.

There’s a huge ignorance from a few Saints fans towards Kaide Ellis in general. I’ve read a number of disparaging comments about him but that’s fine. In fairness, I don’t think some of our fans realise (or realised) how good he is but that’s turning now (I remember on TotalRL a couple of Wigan fans saying we shouid get shut mid season. I nearly fell off my chair). Silly suspensions and an injury just halted his momentum at times last year, so he flew under the radar but he was excellent and statistically that was backed up. I’ve said before, I think he’s the most underrated player in the league. He’s got pretty much everything you’d want in a modern day prop.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:30 pm  

NSW wrote:

Bloody hell Stu, bit much this.

Saints will still be spending the salary, they’ll still be using all the overseas quota, they’ve still got one of the top teams in SL.

You’re making out like 3/4 of these 18 year olds will be in your starting team every week.

Roby has retired and you’ve literally signed the England hooker to replace him. Also replaced LMS with a starting back rower from a Grand final team.

Apart from one of the wingers, you’ve no holes in your squad.

You’ve just promoted youth players to be squad numbers 27-33 (which most teams will do) after letting several of them squad numbers go from last year.

Class of 92

I think you’ve massively misinterpreted what I meant here.

Do I think the 5 promoted will play many if any games next season? No unless we have a horrendous injury crisis.

However we are short of a winger, 1 if not 2 centres bearing in mind Hurrell and Percival can’t stay fit and we have little depth at prop. Knowles, Matautia, Walmsley, Lees and Delaney is a strong 5 with Passi to come back (fingers crossed) however beyond that we have nothing and that’s with Knowles and Matautia not even props in the truest sense.

We lost 11 players from last years first team squad and we’ve replaced them with 2 signings. It looks highly likely that’s the end of our recruitment.

The season we signed Bell and Lussick, we made 5 signings in total. This year it seems we won’t be doing that so these young lads are seemingly the future

The Class of 92 lot didn’t play lots of games when they first came through but established themselves in the forthcoming years. That’s my point so not sure what the patronising laughing emoji was all about.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 12:58 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I think you’ve massively misinterpreted what I meant here.

Do I think the 5 promoted will play many if any games next season? No unless we have a horrendous injury crisis.

However we are short of a winger, 1 if not 2 centres bearing in mind Hurrell and Percival can’t stay fit and we have little depth at prop. Knowles, Matautia, Walmsley, Lees and Delaney is a strong 5 with Passi to come back (fingers crossed) however beyond that we have nothing and that’s with Knowles and Matautia not even props in the truest sense.

We lost 11 players from last years first team squad and we’ve replaced them with 2 signings. It looks highly likely that’s the end of our recruitment.

The season we signed Bell and Lussick, we made 5 signings in total. This year it seems we won’t be doing that so these young lads are seemingly the future

The Class of 92 lot didn’t play lots of games when they first came through but established themselves in the forthcoming years. That’s my point so not sure what the patronising laughing emoji was all about.

There will be a signing or two yet I’m sure. There has to be at least one back brought in you’d imagine. I just can’t buy that Saints will go in to a season with Hurrell and Bennison first choice, Davies and Ritson first reserves and then no real back up (outside of kids) for Welsby or the halves. Trying rack my brains if I’ve forgot someone but nobody is jumping out. We’ve only really got Hampshire in terms of experienced back up but he along with Keighran and French are extremely versatile and Eckersley and Douglas are a year or two in front of those kids Saints have promoted.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:29 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

There will be a signing or two yet I’m sure. There has to be at least one back brought in you’d imagine. I just can’t buy that Saints will go in to a season with Hurrell and Bennison first choice, Davies and Ritson first reserves and then no real back up (outside of kids) for Welsby or the halves. Trying rack my brains if I’ve forgot someone but nobody is jumping out. We’ve only really got Hampshire in terms of experienced back up but he along with Keighran and French are extremely versatile and Eckersley and Douglas are a year or two in front of those kids Saints have promoted.

Not so sure you know, I think our signings are done.

There were heavy rumours of Waqa Blake and then Olam but they’ve died a death now and we don’t seem to be linked to anyone.

I know we made a play for Ackers with a view of Mbye playing 7 with the thoughts that Dodd was off to the NRL but obviously that’s all fallen through and Ackers has ended up at Leeds.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Nov 04, 2023 1:59 pm  

Suppose Mbye can cover a few spots but that backline definitely looks like it needs at least one more option. Plenty of time yet though. On the rumours thread somebody mentioned Toby King. He’s come on leaps and bounds this season in a few areas (fitness and defensively being the main two) and I know you wanted him before he signed that big deal at Wire.