Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:38 pm  

"If we didn't sell em"

Sometimes you can't stop a player leaving and il be honest, if I was Gareth hock is take a 50% wage increase and a nice apartment over looking the beach, playing in the best league in the world over seeing scholes flats through my window and playing at belle vue on a Sunday afternoon.....wouldn't you?

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:40 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Meanwhile we are discussing our team being dismantled whether Hock goes or not.

Even if he did the level of cynicism developing may well suggest any five year deals are just so he can sell them for more dosh in 12 months time!

I don't like losing players, however I would rather give them longer term contracts and cash in rather than two year contracts and let them go for nothing.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:41 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Westwood?

That's my guess of who he's on about but surely nobody can see it?

He plays for the team with the most financial clout in the league, who IMO have the best squad, who haven't had any of their current front line players leave and he's just signed an extended contract in his testimonial year.

It'd need to be some offer!!!

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:45 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Westwood?

As good as he is, we have a player who takes the role of workhorse second row in Hansen.

Don't get me wrong I think Westwood is superior to Hansen, but we need strike if we are to replace Hock, and Westwood does not fulful that role.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:47 pm  

21-12 wrote:

I'm sick to death of people moaning about "ins and outs" over the past 2/3 seasons. The simple fact is, the salary cap prevents us from replacing top class players with top class players. There aren't enough top class players knocking about in super duper league and I suppose it's about bringing in the best of a bad bunch that will make us compete in SL, even if hock goes I'd still stay our squad is in the top 3 best in the league which speaks volumes for this league. Unless the cap changes this is how it will be from now on, the best players will go to union or the NRL. People moan about our signings but let me ask you this, who would you have rather had that was AVAILABLE. For Christ sake stop moaning and get on with it.

The salary cap doesn't prevent us from holding players to the contracts they sign though - that's probably one of the main gripes people have.

And I think people are also well within their right to show their concern or "moan" as you put it with our ins and outs over the past two seasons. You highlight the reasons why our ins and outs have been poor yet rather than just "getting on with it" I think people would like to see something done about it!

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:48 pm  

The fact that it always seems to be our players is what gets me. But hey, the season hasn't even started yet so cheer up! We won the hubcap with a very young team last year. Scott Taylor looks a prospect. And I am sure we will see Faz come on leaps and bounds this year when hock probably leaves.

Just think...


Atleast were not wire!!

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:52 pm  

cadoo wrote:

The salary cap doesn't prevent us from holding players to the contracts they sign though - that's probably one of the main gripes people have.

And I think people are also well within their right to show their concern or "moan" as you put it with our ins and outs over the past two seasons. You highlight the reasons why our ins and outs have been poor yet rather than just "getting on with it" I think people would like to see something done about it!

Do what about it though?

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:54 pm  

21-12 wrote:

"If we didn't sell em"

Sometimes you can't stop a player leaving and il be honest, if I was Gareth hock is take a 50% wage increase and a nice apartment over looking the beach, playing in the best league in the world over seeing scholes flats through my window and playing at belle vue on a Sunday afternoon.....wouldn't you?

Surely the question is....why are the quality all leaving ?

That's what needs to be answered.

[DaveO]

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:54 pm  

21-12 wrote:

The pack will get beaten more often than it isn't? Give over. Who will beat it apart from wire, leeds and possibly saints. All of a sudden we are a mid table team then? Even though we are playing in the WORST super league standards since super league began?

A pack even with Hock in it not dissimilar to that spent the second half of last season on the back foot or did I imagine that? Teams like HKR took it on and were not outclassed. Lauaki is as average as he was at Hull. Mossop had a poor season. Prescott can't stay fit and Hansen great player that he is ran out of steam.

The idea we are going to OK because the rest of the league is even worse is going to cheer everyone up no end.

Re: Hock : Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:00 pm  

fleabag wrote:

Surely the question is....why are the quality all leaving ?

That's what needs to be answered.

Because Superleague's on it's last legs and the few quality players with any ambition are getting out whilst the goings good !!!